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    Posted: 17 January 2010 at 11:12am
My 3 1/2 week old baby won't go down for naps in the morning even though I know he is tired! He is fine at night and goes back to sleep after been feed/changed/winded etc but he won't go to sleep in the morning.

The last few mornings he has been fed around 8-9am then has a little playtime then we put him to bed. He really fights going to sleep and is sometimtes up till his next feed 3 hours later which I know is way too long for a little baby to be up.

He is fine during the rest of the day, though I think he is used to been fed to sleep (probabaly not a great habit to get in to)
Does anyone have any tips about how you settle your baby for naps and if they do grizzle/cry, what techiques do you use?

Most things that I have read suggest that babies won't be able to self settle until around 6-8 weeks of age. I don't want to be getting into bad habits with sleeping and him always been fed to sleep. I am lucky that my DH is off work until 1st of Feb so I don't have to deal with this on my own at the mo.
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I feel your pain naysgirl!
Wish I could offer some advice, but I need some myself!
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At that age there really is no chance of developping bad habbits, just do what you can to get him to sleep as sleep begets sleep and all other sleeps will get easier.

Up to about 4 months I don't think you can get them into bad patterns. We used to feed then put him up on our shoulder and sway whilst saying sssh and patting until he was practically asleep and then put him down.

Or go for a walk in pram or drive anything to get him to sleep.

Is he wrapped.

In the early months we always put him down practically asleep and no bad habbits were formed, he slept through the night at 3 months, 12 hours a night from 5 months and has self settled probably from about 5 months too. and is still ok.

So really try not to worry yet and just go with whatever works getting him to sleep for now.

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This is what worked for us: feed, burp, play time - awake for no more than 1 hour; then wrapped snuggly and cuddled for about 5 min - so we put him to bed drowsy but not asleep. I like to pull the curtains as well and when he was tiny I used to leave the radio on in his room tuned in between stations - the static worked magic!

He used to fight the wrap but wouldn't be able to go to sleep without it, and even now at 9 months I wrap him sometimes when he overtired and hysterical.

I also used to rock him in his bassinet or buggy if he just wouldn't settle or take him for a walk.

Also, and this is just my opinion, a bad habit is only bad if it doesn't work for you, and especially in those first few weeks you have to do whatever works.

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IMO feeding to sleep is not a bad habit, especially not for a baby who is still so little - at that stage with DD2 we just did what we needed to and our feed to sleep ration was about 90/10.

FWIW we still feed to sleep at roughly the same ratio, she rarely falls asleep on her own and I wouldn't want to force her to either - other than feeding at home she'll sleep in a sling on either me or DH, and also tends to fall asleep in her car seat if we catch her at the right time.

We started wrapping at about a month old and still do it, though I am trying to slowly start the process of weaning DD2 off it so I can get her used to a sleeping bag for winter. I think this can sometimes be quite a good sleep cue.

In summary, I agree with the 'do whatever works' strategy Whatever causes the least worry and stress is probably your best option.



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I'd say do whatever works. We didn't need to feed to sleep but I remember Ashley needing a bit of extra help at that age for her morning sleep. Oddly I found I had to give her a bit more playtime in the morning in order for her to be nice and tired. Don't worry about creating bad habits at this age :)
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Thanks for the advice. We are wrapping him but he usually manages to escape. I think he quite likes having his arms out but of course then he wakes himself up when he moves them etc.

I am sort of trying the feed, play, sleep routine and but its getting the him to go to sleep!!! I think we are getting better at catching him before he gets overtired but sometimes he just doesn't want to play ball and go to sleep.

Its reassuring to know how he is getting to sleep now is not necessarily forming bad habits. Somethimes I think searching on the internet is a bad idea: too much information out there these days.

Its always great to hear advice from other mums especially for a first time novice like me
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The internet can be very very unhelpful at times, I know second time round I will just go with the flow a lot more that is what they need you to do, if feeding him makes him sleep it really is ok for now, its the sleep and the feeding that is important for you both.

Wrapping also worked wonders for us, we wrapped until about 9 months and one of those there is no way in hell you are getting out wraps, practically a straight jacket.

You are doing a fab job, those 1st few months are really hard work.

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One thing to think about is that some babies will do a cluster feed in the morning - I know some one would had this happen. I have found that 9 times out of 10 if they don't settle they are hungry, if feeding to sleep works it might just be your baby needs a little more food at that time of day.

I second that you are doing a great job. It does get easier too!
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I think I do need to just go with the flow more rather than worrying about bad habits creeping in and like you said Fiona, sleep and feeding are the important things.

When your babies did get unsettled and start crying when you are trying to get them to sleep, did you go in and pick them up and calm them or leave them in their beds and try to rock them/pat them?
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Have you tried cutting out the play part of the routine in the morning and just doing feed, change, sleep? Up until probably about 8wks (or possibly older) Ben could only be up for about 30mins before he was ready for another nap which only allowed time for feeding and changing
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At that age, if we settled and he cried we tried all over again, did not leave to self settle just too small, try winding and offering more food, sometimes settling took some time, but you both get better at it.

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Also had this issue with Mac. I found the 10 minute method has worked best with him. Not everyones cup of tea as it onvolves leaving thm to cry for 10 minutes, if still crying after 10 mins, pick them up, don't talk to them just hold them tight until you feel them relax, then put them straight back down and time another 10 minutes.

The only time I pick Mac up before the 10 minutes is up is if I feel his cries have become distressed. But it usually only takes one or two rounds of this technique to get him to sleep.

 

If they aren't crying then just leave them anyway, they should drift off to sleep. But if you keep picking them up and talking to them it just stimulates them and they tend to stay awake.

 

At the end of the day you have to do what works fr you but thats my suggestion anyway.



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Hi just poped in to have a read....

One thing that works for our morning feed is I take georgiana back to my bed when she wakes which is normally between 7 and 8:30 depending on how the night has been. She is going through a growth spurt at the moment so a bit all over the place!

Anyway I take her back to our bed after changing her. Let her have a little kick, and then i will give her a good feed and leave her there. Normally within 10 mins she will be fast asleep   She sometimes doesn't have a long sleep but its long enough to have a shower and breakfast anyway....thats the important stuff i reckon...

I agree with what the others are saying, don't worry about any bad habbits at the moment...do what ever works for you. My front pack has been a life saver so highly recomend getting one....

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Yep was going to say the play part of feed, play sleep at this age is the nappy change basically they aren't really capable of staying up any longer


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Our wee boy is still like this at nearly 8 months.
The 'sleep begets sleep' saying doesnt apply to Locky Im sure. One day he had 2 great naps (once!) and then didnt want to sleep that night....
There are babies who dont follow the rule book (!lol- whats that!)

We still wrap Locks for day sleeps in his cot- but mostly he escapes then causes havoc in his cot, then yells for attention. starts blowing raspberries etc... We dont leave him to cry, but we can be in and out re wrapping and settling for up to an hour sometimes, he'll be rubbing his eyes and yawning, and fighting the lids-we ussually give up after an hour of this and whack him in the car.... goes out quite quickly then.

The most sleep we get out of him now is 40min in the day.... he often gets up between 5am and 6. I dont know how they do it!

As someone has said- the first few months are soo tough- and you are doing a fantastic job. Go with the flow, and do what you feel is right for you and baby... not what you feel you 'should' do or what people 'tell' you to do. Hang in there.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote naysgirl Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 January 2010 at 4:06pm
We have had a good few days where C has been going down for his naps with alot more ease. I think with the burping technique that we are using it is making him alot more comfortable.
My midiwfe said not to worry about forming bad habits at this stage, just focus on feeding and sleeping.

So I am just teaching myself to go with the flow and as he gets older, if any bad habits have formed, we can work on them then.

Thank you for all the advice. Its much appreciated
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This has been helpful as a nice reassurance that we are doing a great job!!! and i totally agree that no habit is bad unless it doesnt work for you............
I think following the EASY Eat Activity Sleep then You......and i only really notice that he gets really worked up when i havent paid more attention to the clock.

I have found that he is getting more vocal when tired now at 5 weeks instead of just drifting off and he needs me to wrap tightly with hands under chin and then snuggle him real close in my arms.........he resists for a while and refuses the dummy but normally only lasts a few mins then its like someone flicked a switch from screaming to asleep

handy trying different techniques until i get one that works........
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