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    Posted: 27 May 2009 at 4:49pm

My oh so DS hasn't put on ANY weight in the past 3 weeks (possibly even 4 weeks since I didn't get him weighed without his clothes on) and he seems to be ok EXCEPT for when he's feeding. He's EBF and therefore I can't really tell how much he's taking in. Have just tried pumping which barely gave me a couple drops (it is the afternoon) and is making me really upset. I never thought my supply would've been an issue but perhaps it is now. I just want to have an oversupply so it's easy for son to feed. I think he may be lazy nowadays and once he gets the little bit of milk, it's enough to get him happy and stop feeding. I've already seen a LC and the dr to rule out anything that may be affecting him adversely (infections etc). They didn't do any blood tests but if he hasn't gained weight by next Tues, then they'll recommend me to see the pediatrician. "Nothing is wrong with him," the dr said. "He seems happy and healthy!"

Here is how my feeding goes:

2am-5am wakes for a feed (does a good one b/c there is a build up overnight). Then 7-8am feed again (not too bad of a feed usually).

Then 11-12 another feed and this is when he is fussy. He'll fuss around for quite a bit during the feed which may last from 10-15 mins. He'll go for about 2-3 mins and get the letdown and once it slows down again, he'll try and try to squirm off the breast. After several attempts to get him to latch back on (and trying to burp) I will switch him to the other breast. He'll go on and fuss til he gets the letdown and then he'll suck slowly (where it feels like he's barely getting anything). Eventually he'll get his way b/c he keeps pinching my breast when he pulls off and it hurts . I tried giving him top ups when he went for a weigh in and only gained 60g in a week, then it went 3 weeks til his next appt and found out after all those extra feeds, he hadn't put on anything. He is a very alert boy, stays up for about 1.5-2hrs between feeds (4 mos old) and sleeps for 1hr-2.5hrs (most times it's 1.5 hrs) 3-4 times a day. He wakes at around 7 to start his day and used to go to bed at 7 but now I'm delaying it so that I can squeeze in another feed.

After the 11-12 feed, he'll get another one around 3-4,

another at 6-7 and another at 8-9.

So, that ends up being 6 feeds a day (how DO YOU get 8 feeds in and are they full feeds or does 8 include topups--and topups are only BM?). When I went to the dr and the LC they suggested he be fed in a dark room with little distractions as he is easily distracted. He's rolling around a bit and does a lot of tummy time so the dr say's he's buning calories up there. I wanted to hold off on starting solids but I may just have to start if he doesn't gain (at least that's what I'm thinking). Hmm, think I covered it all. If I missed anything, just ask. Sorry if I went off in tangents and am all over the place.

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What do you do to get an oversupply (anything you eat/drink)?

Has this ever happened to your DS/DD and how did you get them to put on more weight?

Anything would seriously help a fretful mother!

Thanks!

Denise



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He shouldn't be sucking really fast anyway all the time. So that slow sucking is probably ok.

What does his tummy feel like after a feed & a burp? Is it nice & round?

Check his wrists are they plumpish? Ie there is fat there? If there is no fat around the wrist then I'd worry if there is he's ok.

What you could do is feed him right on getting up from his sleep, then give him a play & burp etc & in 1/2 hour? then give him another feed off the same first boob so he gets the hind milk.

Don't worry about the expressing,...I sucked at it last time & this time I haven't even bothered.

There is natural milk flow products. Go into your health shop & ask. Nathuropharm does one. Also make sure your fluids are up & there is a tea that you can make called tigers brew if you search you find it on Ohbaby.
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Oh chin up hun.....skinned rabbit here too
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(where the hell did my post go!!!!!)

it wasnt short either.....

firstly expressing isnt a good indicator of milk supply...

secondly has there been growth in other areas. has he grown in length. all my kids hit a plateau re weight gain but didnt stop growing longer and are certainly healthy.

the fact that he is healthy and developing is a good sign.

my girl only ever had 4/5 feeds a day from the day she got home from the hospital....i was convinced it wasnt enough but i couldnt force her to have any more than that.....

things to help supply are water, bananas, nuts, oats (so a good porridge breakfast works wonders), brewers yeast - which is an ingredient in tigers milk. there is also a recipe for lactation cookies in the recipes thread too.

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Often height and weight go in turns so 3 wks of not gaining weight is not uncommon. The feeding sounds fine - if he was hungry, he'd ask for more. (And if you didn't have enough for him, he'd let you know, too.)

Also not every 4mo is into rolling or even moving a lot and that's probably where the weight is going. Weigh him again in 3wks and I bet he would've moved. Oh, you're probably about due for a growth spurt soon too.
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May be totally irrelevant in your case, but just in case!....

Liv got fussy and wasn't gaining weight at 4 months and it was because my milk supply was low.   I had gone back on the pill and was getting a lot of periods (like every 2 weeks), which in turn affected my milk supply.

I went off the pill, and Plunket told me to start drinking Vitaplan or Complan in the afternoons (2pm say) when my supply was at it's lowest.
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Fist up, remember you are doing a great job and this is normal!

He may be fussing and feeding frequently becasue he isn't draining one breast before getting the other breast., so is only gettiing the foremilk wich isn't as filling as the hind milk.

Its also important to remember that baby is the best breast pump and the best indicator that your supply is good. If he is having plenty of wet and dirty naps then he is probably ok. Feed him often, he may be trying to vuild up your supply by wnating to feed often and don;t offer him bottle or dummy as this affects him building up your supply (ie he;s sucking them instead of you)

You cannot "run out" of milk, either, you make most of what baby needs while he is feeding. It will differ in makeup depending on the time of day. Try not to get too hung up on the "volume" (mls) of a feed, baby will take how much he needs when he needs it.

Check to see he is latching on properly, too.

Get plenty of rest if you can. Forget about the washing or the housework and spend a good part of a day just lying close to baby andletting him feed when he wants and re charging your batteries.

Sorry hope this dosen't sound patronising! I have just this week done a training course through La Leche and now have a liscence to set up and run a peer support councelling programme. Ring La Leche, they may be able to point you in the direction of a peer support person and they will give you heaps of good free advice!

At the end of the day, you just need to try to trust that your body and your baby knows what they are doing!

Hugs to you xxx

Oh yeah and also they don't gain at this age like they did as newborns, either. Also he is probably beign very curious about the world...
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Hugs for you it's so worrying.

I 2nd what everyone else has said.
I saw a lacatation consultant the other week (for mastitis) and she told me thats from about 3 months their weight gain can slow down, so to ignore plunket if they say they're not putting on enough weight.

Is he settled and happy after a feed. Does he have at least 5 wet nappies a day?
A hungry baby wont sleep i'm sure.

I was useless at expressing too last time. Luckily it's not an indication of milk supply.

Make sure you're eating lots of protien and someone suggested to me to eat oats too.
Popcorn is a good snack to have, mmm now I want some, lol!

Oh and rest! Sometimes a day in bed with baby and let them feed lots is a good way to boost milk supply. The more that is taken off the more you will produce.


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Here is a recipe for Tigers Milk which I find fantastic:

2 teaspoons brewers yeast (optional - if you are prone to thrush I would leave this out)
1 egg
600ml Milk
1-2 Bananas
2 Tablespoons complan
Mix together

Drink one glass every time you breastfeed for 24 hours then rest for 3 days and start again.
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Great to have some feedback. Have increased my fluids, checked his wrists (yes, they're fatty!) and started eating more bananas and taking my iron pills again. With the protein, I've started taking more eggs and continued on with my milk and cheese (vegetarian, so no meat option there). Still is a fussy guy at the boob but someone mentioned the 3rd boob trick - just changing positions after the first boob and he sometimes is tricked and takes more from the 1st one before getting to the 2nd. They definately are easily distracted and so the feeding in a dark room with little stimulation SOMETIMES helps with the fussing.

Never thought about the Pill! But on second thought, realized I started it about a month ago--which matches up! Gonna ring the dr. on Monday and ask if that's a contributing factor. Actually, I'm not entirely sure that it's my milk supply but when he feeds less, it does mean less when you express.

MrsH23- will have to try that Tiger's Milk, however, is it ok to have raw egg?

Popcorn? Hmmm...now that's the reason I HAVE to get it next time I shop!

Thanks for allaying my fears guys. I'm glad I can count on OB support!

Will let you know how his next weigh-in goes.  (am already thinking he's got a fatter tummy)

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He gained! 150g in 2 weeks but hey, it's a gain! Dunno- am told he's at this developmental thing where he's just not that into the boob (not a foodie) and that he's easily distracted with the outside world.

Still wondering about the mini Pill but mentioned to Dr. and she didn't seem to think much on it.

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Hey Niecey

Sounds like you are doing a great job!

I make my own BF tea, everything can be purchased from your local indian shop.

I mix whole seeds together

2 teaspoons of fennel seeds
1 teaspoon of fenugreek seeds
1 star anise broken up

I mix a huge lot together and keep it in a glad bag and then add one teaspoon of the mixture to a cup of boiling water. Leave it for a couple of minutes and drink it.

I find it works really well. I had a cup yesterday cause I felt my supply was a little low and this mornin Eva drank from my right (.) and then I expressed 110mls of the same (.) to empty it as it still felt full.

I looked at the ingredients in the weleda BF tea and some other tea and then made my own, was way cheaper than buying it.
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hey there mel&kel, that sounds like a good tea brew. will definately have to try it as I have 2 of the ingredients already (hub is Indian). thanks
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btw...he seemed to be a lot less fussier today (maybe my complan, extra protein and fluids and tricks for getting more hind milk helped?) but let's hope he gets less fussy. he's soooo distracted these days and loves to grab anything -necklace, my lips!, chin and then twist! owww!
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Yay Niecey! Lol at him grabbing everything, they are so curious aye.

My DH is half Indian, so we have them all at home.

I think the fennel and fenugreek are the main ones.
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