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    Posted: 12 May 2009 at 8:00pm
I am sure the vast majority know of my ongoing problems with Jackson's eating, and hate/distrust of it.

We've had a very slow start to solids. He still only eats about 50 - 70g at each meal and it has to be super pureed. Because of all of our problems, the paed is not concerned with the amount and we're not going to bring in too many lumps until we start giving solids before milk (to avoid losing all the milk when he gags and vomits).

However, after a pretty wide ranging start, Jackson now will only eat his veges if there is pears or fruit salad mixed in. In other words, he's developed a sweet tooth.

Under normal circumstances, the advice would be to withhold the sweet stuff and just say tough luck and ride it out. In our situation, my boy is really stubborn, and he would just not eat it (and not be hungry later!).

So, with Jackson, I am wondering if I deal with the sweet tooth issues later. I really just want him to get used to eating solids, hopefully begin to expand his tummy and start to realise that food is fun and an experience to be enjoyed. And if that means making his food sweeter, is that ok? He's still eating veges, just with sweet stuff added.

Or am I making a rod for my back?!?!
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I'd say do what works - you can deal with the rest later. Feeding has been such a nightmare for you on so many levels that I think you just have to do what makes your life easiest - and it's not doing him any harm, it's not like he'll only eat lollies .

You could try sweet vegetables like kumara and pumpkin maybe as a transition. Also, how is he with finger foods? Lil miss wouldn't have a bar of anything off a spoon for ages but she would gladly chew on chunks of bread, fruit, cooked veg etc.
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Ella had a sweet tooth when she was a baby and still does....BUT she now does eat other nonsweet food as well. On her really fussy days I ended up having to mix in yoghurt with her food (yes she used to eat yoghurt mixed in with chicken noodle!).

I think most children are born with a sweet tooth (after all breastmilk is sweet so it makes sense) and then as they get older their taste buds expand.

Personally I would just carry on doing what you are doing, and then slowly over time reduce the amout of sweet fruit in the mixture. I often find the more you push certain foods on them, the more they resist, so I would concentrate on making food fun for him.

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Pick your battles and deal with it later. Given that eating is a big issue already, do what you need to to make it an enjoyable and as stress free as possible (the focus is on getting stuff into him rather than getting only the "right" things into him).

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I'm with the others - just get whatever you can into him. You can always transition back to veges via pumpkin and kumara (as Emma said).

Also - we have problems with N gagging on lumpy bits/some self-fed food like crackers and subsequently vomiting the entire meal back up. I've just stopped worrying about how she 'should' be eating lumpy bumpy food and sticking to mashed stuff for now.....after having all her dinner come back up on us tonight via an errant lump of pear, I just need to feed her whatever stays down I'm sure she'll be feeding herself real food by the time she's 18!

anyway, just wanted to add that, as you said Jackson had issues with lumps too.
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I agree with the others, just do what works and worry about the rest later. Jackson will get better with his eating, so if right now it takes adding some pears to his veges then go for it, its not going to harm him what so ever.

When Caden was being super fussy with his veges, I just stuck with what worked for a while, which was pumpkin and kumara mashed and gradually introduced other things(lumps and stuff) and now he eats almost anything.

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Do what ever works!

We had real trouble getting Keira on solids, I dont think she was ever eating the chunkier mixes, just went straight to finger foods when she was a bit older. We had to mix apple with everything, starting with a mouth full of apple and slowly adding the meat and vegie with the apple.

I guess it worked, she didnt starve. And if you watch her eat now you would have no idea she ever could have been fussy.


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i wouldnt worry about it... most kids get a preference for either sweet or savoury... hes only 7 months after all... lots of time for him to change his eating habits, and he will!
i would try and see what he is like with finger food too... he might surprise you.
I know that i have found with all my kids that the more chances they got to play with their food and explore it with their hands the more willing they were to taste it...

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Originally posted by kiwilaurie kiwilaurie wrote:

Under normal circumstances, the advice would be to withhold the sweet stuff and just say tough luck and ride it out.


you know i dont think it would be... all the stuff i have read says to mix a bit of what they like with their food...esp when trying a new taste or texture.

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Yeah I would let him have it as well. Spencer was fussy with meat for a while so I use to add pureed apple to it, it didn't do him any harm and now he loves savoury food as well as fruit. And like someone else said it's fruit so although it's sweet its not like your giving him lollies and chocolate.

Also second letting him try finger food, sometimes they just like to do things themselves and if he doesn't eat it then he can at least explore it with his fingers and stuff just as another experience for him.

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I agree with everyone else, you have had such a rough time with feeding, do whatever works to make it a bit easier for you both.


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snap with this Laurie - still going through the same thing with Catirona (the only non-sweet thing she eats is marmite ) Everything else has to mixed in with apple puree . . .

I am going to start trying solids before milk now on the advice of plunket . . .

I would carry on doing what you're doing - as others said and revisit a little later - fruit is still going to be good for him

if you are worried about iron levels (as i am) then mix apples into iron-enriched baby rice (worked for us)

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Laurie - have bumped a similar topic i posted a while back

I have just had a major stand-off with Catriona refusing to eat her chicken and veggies (even when i mixed in apple). I have given in and she is having a bottle of milk as i couldn't take the crying anymore. I am going to try my hardest to be chilled over this and carry on with the mixing fruit idea and lowering the proportion of fruit . . .


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Thanks for all the comments guys. I am glad that others share my feelings. I am concerned what the Community Nurse is going to say.... she's a bit of a bossy britches. Luckily Jackson seems to try just about anything, which is good. He's always excited to taste what's on the spoon.

We've dabbled with finger food, and I am persisting, but invariably it leads to a gag and vomit. Sometimes HUGE vomits. I know he just has to get past this, but it is disheartening when you've spent 40 minutes coaxing 150ml of formula in.... only to see it come out in a big stream (that immediately gets played with, just to add insult to injury!).

He does love the finger food though, and the gagging so far doesn't seem to put him off, so I am trying to offer a little bit frequently, and rescue all the chunks that gather at the front of his mouth!

Thanks again guys!

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Oh, and yes I am super worried about iron levels, as he's only getting about half of his recommended total from his formula.

So far though, baby rice/muslie/cereal is the one thing he has steadfastly refused to eat more than one spoonful of! Typical. Am getting tiny amounts of meat in him, but still worried about iron, and protein.

Of course, giving him lots of marmite. But then there's the salt content.... Gah, the worries just never end LOL!
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Caden doesnt eat huge amounts of meat Laurie, but he has vegemite or marmite on toast every morning and on brown bread for lunch. He is also only having like 3 milk feeds a day if Im lucky, he isnt wanting much milk these days, he drink half or less then refuses to have anymore.

If you are really worried about Jacksons iron levels you could give him floradix, I was reading the bottle the other day and babies and kids can have it too.

Does jackson like banana? At 7 months caden was having all sorts of finger foods, I just put a mixture of things on his try and let him go for gold while watching him like a hawk lol), but banana is good for energy and its nice and soft for them to chew.

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Thanks Sheena. I will continue with the marmite, as he loves it and it's good for him to learn to chew and swallow. Like the sweetness, I'll just have to not worry about the salt for now!

I give him banana, but not much. Because it's high on the allergy list and we're still not sure what's wrong with Jackson, it's one of the foods I have to give sparingly. That and yoghurt, which he WOLFS down. Frustrating.

Amusingly, he can't quite master holding bits of banana. It's rather comical. Does much better with the fruit feeder though.
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lol caden still has trouble holding banana, its slips from his figners and he drops bits all the time, he often gets it between his finger and thumb down the bottom..IYKWIM lol and put its in his mouth that way, rather than the pincer grasp.

I wouldnt worry about salt in marmite and vegemite lol, it would be a tiny amount on a bit of bread. I never worry about salt and sugar and stuff, cos Caden doesnt eat things in huge amounts, and he has lots of fruit and good foods

I defintely think while they are learning about food and tatses, just go with what ever works and worry about everything else later.

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I always add a little bit of baby rice to whatever my boy is eating. Just a teaspoon sprinkled in or whatever. He doesn't even notice and it is a nice way to slowly thiken the mixture without giving it huge lumps.


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