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    Posted: 12 March 2009 at 11:47am
I'm so confused!

I am Mum to a bright and happy just over 3 month old girl. She sleeps from 9.30 - 6.30, waking sometimes for a quick feed in that time period, and then waking to get up on hubbys alarm. She still sleeps in our bedroom.


When she is up and awake, I attend to her every need, cry, etc We do alot of talking touching etc. during this time.

When its time to get ready for bed, I swaddle her, take her on a wee walk around the house, and then put her to bed with a wee kiss on the head. She starts crying, but by ten minutes she is sound asleep. The longest I've let her go was 15mins and I was having a terrible day myself, I needed that extra bit of time. Generally on the ten min mark we get up again. By 5 mins she's wimpering, by ten she's out to it.

Am I mean for letting her go to sleep in this way? I started it because it wasn't pointed out to me by a lot of people that if I walk her to sleep every sleep, it's going to be incredibly difficult later on. Also, walking her to sleep is the only way she'll go down without crying, and it's starting to cause me pain and injury. I'm not a strong person and I can't afford the osteo bills to keep it up!

As soon as she stirs I'm next to the bassinet and she wakes up grinning at me.

The research suggests that I'm going to do her long term emotional damage :( I feel like a super bad mum for handling her sleep this way, despite physically feeling better for it myself.

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Firstly you are not doing her any damage whatsoever. My daughter slept okay for night time mostly but was a horror on daytime sleeps. She would cry whether I held her or left her in her cot. So for my sanity we left her to cry. She could cry for about half an hour at a time - no matter what I did. She would then also only sleep for half an hour.

She is now a 6.5 year old and is very strong willed (I knew that from birth I guess ) is independant and very compassionate. It has not affected her at all. DH told me that she just didn't want to be asleep during the day and in hindsight he was completely right.

I have no idea about the research you are talking about but I would put money on the fact that there is research out there that says just the opposite. I can only go on my experience and we did what was best for all of us at the time. As a parent that is all you can do.

It sounds to me that you have a great little girl there who is very happy. She is sleeping well and the grizzling could just be her letting you know that she doesn't think she should go to bed yet which is something all children do.

Keep up the good work and go with your instincts and what works best for you as a family.

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  It sounds to me like you have a really good routine in place. I don't see how that could be psychologically damaging it's not as though you're leaving her to cry for excessive periods of time.  Ignore the research, look hard enough and you'll find enough studies to conclude that basically every way of putting your child to bed is psychologically damaging.

What it sounds like is that you're allowing her to grumble and fuss a bit while she self settles (remembering that crying is the only way they have of doing this at her age) but that if she works herself into actual distress you go in and tend to her and IMO you're doing a great job - keep it up.

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As always, MrsMojo puts it perfectly.

There is so much emotive debate about sleeping and getting babies to sleep. Ignore it. She's obviously able to get herself to sleep, but she needs to wind-down which is what the crying/grumbling is. It sounds like you're doing a really good job and she's getting lots of attention and love from you during the awake times.
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As long as all her needs have been attended too and she is well then you are not causing her any psychological harm. The research does say that control crying is not appropriate for a child under 6 months old but really I think they mean leaving the baby to cry without comfort for a lot longer than 10 minutes. As you said she is bright and happy when she is up if you were causing any psychological damage she wouldn't be.
I think you are doing a great job, you have got to know your baby and know what works for her. The fact she wakes up grinning and happy to see her mummy is all the proof you need that you are a good mummy!
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Okay, crisis anxious bad mummy feelings all gone. Thankyou! It was just what I needed to hear :)
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I know how you feel - there have been times when I've left Daniel to cry - sometimes cos I need a few minutes longer than the 10, and I then anxiously look at him when he wakes up, paranoid that he doesn't like me anymore.    Ah, mother guilt . Glad you're feeling more comfortable about it.
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Oh yes, I foolishly read that research saying if a baby cries he/she will get severe depression for life blablabla. Made me feel guilty too.

But, I think it refers to letting them cry that awful "help me, I'm terrified" cry for a long long time, whereas it sounds like you are letting Hollie have a grizzle/wee cry for a short time and then you are comforting her and reasuring her there is nothing to be upset about.

You're a lovely mummy
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I *wish* I had let my one cry a bit more and learn to self settle. Even now, at 3 years old, she wont go to sleep by herself and each night we spend at least 30 mins getting her to sleep in our bed.

I think you are doing an awesome job. I hope I have as much success as you do with my second one.   


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Is there anything worse than Mummy guilt!

I think it sounds like you are doing a wonderful job as well.
Luckily for me when my daughter was little my midwife told me that some babies need to have a wee cry to settle themselves to sleep. She recommended I leave Sam for 10-15 min and not to disturb her otherwise she would need to start the process all over. It was the best advice and Sam has been a great sleeper since. You will find in a few months she will lose that need to have a wee cry and will just settle quietly and be asleep before you know it.

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Hi

I think it sounds like you're doing a great job too. I would try to wean off the walking around though, if it's getting too tiring. And I certainly don't think you're doing her psychological damage by leaving her to have a wee grizzle - I'm not a child psychologist (though I am a psychologist) and I think it would be worse if you taught her that you'll come rushing in everytime she starts to cry.

As an aside I was a baby in the days before car-seats were compulsory, and when I was one year old we had an accident and I went face-first into the windscreen (fortunately most of the scarring is behind my hairline). After that, every night, as soon as Mum put me down to sleep I started screaming (I guess because I was asleep at the time of the accident), and the only way she could get me to sleep was to walk around with me until the early hours of the mornig. Obviously I eventually got over it (I don't stilllscream when I go to bed ) - after a few months I think (my poor mum!) and I don't think I'm psychologically scarred .
My point is that I think babies are more psychologically resilient than we sometimes give them credit for. I think a key thing is for parents to be as happy and loving with their kids as possible, recognising that kids are individual while also having firm boundaries.
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It sounds fine to me.... I use the 10 minute rule as well. It's particularly a good rule of thumb when baby is unsettled and you think you have tried everything! It's about the length of time it takes to have a cuppa with your feet up too
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FLAKE!!!!

Hun your doing awesomely! I let Lochy cry most nights, Well now anyways.
I used to run in at each squeak until I realised I wasn't letting him self sooth, now he's absolutely fine.
He grizzles for about 20mins most nights be that most of the time his eyes are closed he's sucking contently on his dummy but still making a fuss (if that makes any sence)

I wouldn't worry so much Hun! Your a great mum!

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What your doing sounds perfect! Thats exactly what we did and still do with Caden, I never ever rocked or walked him to sleep as I didnt want cause bad sleeping habots when he was older. So from day dot he was down awake and learnt to settle himself to sleep

I do the crying thing aswell, we let him cry for a while and most of the time he will grizzle himself to sleep. If I know there is nothing wrong and he is just being silly cos he thinks mummy or daddy will come in then we leave him to it, they soon learn if mum or dad comes in when they cry then they will keep doing that

You are doing great

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As the other ladies have said, you sound as tho your'e doing a great job , thats exactly how I put Caitlyn down , awake and would wait ten minutes .
Nearly 7 years on , I still see no sign of psychological damage


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havent read the replies, but wanted to say that when i had my first child i would leave him a max of 10 mins, on my mothers advice... he would do the same and generally was asleep before the 10 mins was up anyway...   to me there is a big difference between letting a baby scream for hours and letting a baby cry or whimper for a couple of mins...and so long as all their other needs are met ... of course child number 3 now and i still let her cry for a couple of mins to see if she will pop off by herself but i also rock her to sleep and feed her to sleep and have no problem with that either...
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