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OHbaby! Coffee Catchup - May 26th 2014. Feel free to ask questions and Dorothy will reply when she can.
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Hi Dorothy, on your general guidelines print out it says for babies over 8m 'todler routine' could you explain this please?
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Hi I have a toddler routine with 2 naps and a toddler routine with 1 nap. You can download from my website
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Hi Dorothy,
I have a 6 week old baby who is very chilled and placid. I have been allowing him to tell me when he's hungry, sleepy during the day. today I am trying your routine ideas but he doesn't seem to be tired. He woke at 7.30 this morning after a 5 1/2 hour sleep and then another 4 hour sleep over night (cluster feed from 5.30pm-9.30) he is happy to lie in bed, not grizzling or anything but awake since I put him down at 9.30am - it's now 11 and he's still no asleep! I resettled once and topped up at 10 but still awake. Can you please help :) I know I am very lucky with his placid/settled nature but fear it will change and I'll be stuck!!
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I have a 10week old & she sleeps very well, wakes once in night. During the day she is usually awake 1.5hours & has good day sleeps in a light room, do u suggest making it dark day & night. Sometimes during her day sleeps she will wake after 45mins. Thanks
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I have the exact same issue with a 4 week old so will be interested to find out the reply. He did feed every 3 hours overnight but after the settling plan from yesterday he then fed every 3hr 45 min last night. Today though awake most of the morning and afternoon/evening, snacking again and even after one almost full feed of 90ml he was still not wanting to sleep this afternoon.
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Hi Dorothy, could you please outline the steps for settling process for a 0 - 12 week baby? So after wake, feed, burp, change ... do you put them in bed then walk away? If they cry pick them up when you feel enough time has passed. Engulf, cup & shush (what are the various places you "cup"?) . If they are still crying stop for a bit then try again. What then? If they keep crying then what? If they stop crying but aren't sleeping?

I have trouble with transferring from my arms to the cot once she's asleep. She usually stays asleep 5 minutes then wakes up, so I put her back to sleep and same thing happens again.

At night I feed my baby lying down, is this a bad thing? It's more comfortable for me than sitting up in bed, we have the heater in our room and its easier than going out to my chair in the lounge as its cold and dark. I try to feed in dim light and would have to turn lights on through the house to get to lounge.
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Hi Dorothy, I have a 10 month old boy who I am attempting to get onto a routine so that he can get more sleep at night. I have cut his day sleeps down to a 30-45 min nap in the morning and then a 1.5/2 hour sleep early arvo. At this stage he is getting approx 10 hours of sleep at night 7pm - 5am with the occasional wake up at around 1am when if doesn't resettle for a while I will give him a bottle of formula which he guzzles up. Should I be concerned with this amount of sleep? Or is it some bubs don't need as much sleep as others? Thanks
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Hey Dorothy
I have a 7 week old who is great at her night sleeps, only waking once in the night. Day sleeps are getting better these days and I can normally get her to sleep for about 1.5 hours, however from about 4pm onwards she just doesn't seem to want to sleep. Even when I follow the same pattern of feeding, playtime etc, she just lies in her bassinette - happy, but not asleep. Then eventually, she'll start making noises and resettling her is near impossible as she's so awake. Then she becomes overtired, cluster feeds and eventually crashes about 7-8pm.
I try and keep her awake for a max of 1.5 hours during her day sleeps, but wondering if she's simply having too much sleep in the rest of the day and night that she's no longer tired in late afternoon?
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Hi Dorothy. My 8week old has started sleeping 8hours during the night. From 7ish till 4ish. Is this enough sleep for the night? Should I be getting up and startong the day after 8hrs? Because his next sleeps are short and light (2hrs). His day sleeps are also short (an hour most day). Also I have begun expreseeing to leave him with hubby. How many mls is 1 full feed (both sides)? TIA
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Hi Dorothy, also... I swaddle my 4 week old at night but not during the day- I was trying to show the difference between night and day- is this ok or do I need to swaddle for both as a sleep cue?
After using your techniques he now goes 4 hours between feeds at night and 2-3 hours during the day! Yesterday he didn't want awake time though he was just sleepy after day feeds- is this ok or do I try to keep him up?
Also how do you stop them falling asleep when feeding- he doesn't do it every time but I equally don't want to start a feed-sleep association?
And a repeat of another posters question- when putting down for a nap can I just put him in his cot or do I need to do the settling bit first? At what point do you change your settling technique from picking up and cupping to just turning them over in their cot and cupping?
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Hi Kylie
SOme babies do sleep with their eyes open so just try closing them by running your finger downwards from their between their eyebrows to their nose and see if this helps.

Have you tried cupping him in bed as well, sometimes giving a little movement will help as well.   
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Hi always say never change anything if it is working, however as she is waking at the 45 minute mark, I would encourage darkening her room. Dark is for sleeping and light is for playing
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Hi Ingrid
For up to 12 weeks i tend to do nurturing in arms. This is where I teach them to self settle and resettle. Babies are not able to self settle and resettle until between the ages of 12 to 16 weeks so the first 12 weeks is getting to know your baby and helping them to self settle and resettle. I find although hard, it is easier to do this in arms then over a cot or bassinet.

SO ideally
0 to 6 weeks wake times 45 minutes to an hour
6 to 12 weeks wake times 1 hour to 1 1/2 hours

Their wake time rhythm is they wake, feed, cuddle, can offer top up, swaddle and then into bed.
Yes, put them in bed awake and walk away.   As soon as they cry respond and I do pick up and engulf and sit down and let them self settle in my arms.   When you pick them up and they are in your arms they can have a little cry (my rule of able - to me they mean the same. Lets say she cries for 1 minute and then you intervene with cupping and shushing. She is still crying so STOP, let her cry for another minute or less then intervene with cupping and shushing and offer a dummy if you are using one. I continue to do this off and on until around the 20 minute mark and then do it until they go to sleep. Until 12 weeks I tend to start the continous cupping and shushing a little earlier as I would like to think I have them asleep within this 20 minute mark.    SOme babies are easier than others to get into their sleep cycle.   Its not about letting them crying inconsolable for a long length of time so intervention is also when you think it is needed.   If they stop crying and aren't asleep continue the movement of cupping until they do. You may also need to close their eyes down - i do this by stroking downwards between their eyebrows going downwards on the nose.    Once she is asleep especially in the early weeks and up to 12 weeks I will hold her until she starts stirring around the 45 minute mark and then will cup until she is in a deep sleep and then I put her in the cot.   This means if she wakes she is ready to start her next wake cycle.

Is it a bad thing to feed a baby in your bed lying down. Absolutely not but it is about how you want to parent and if you are happy doing this then continue so.   I would suggest that once she is fed to put her back into her bed, but again this step is entirely up to you and if you do bed share then ensure you are doing safe bed sharing.
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hi Let me know if in the answers I haven't answered your question and will do so
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Hi CarlaMaree
Yes, it is true that some babies need more sleep than others. With regard to the morning nap I would either do this at 30 minutes or if you are going to let him sleep one sleep cycle then I would be trying to resettle.

You haven't mentioned his daytime routine re food but ideally when he wakes in the morning he gets his solids first, then milk offered straight after his solids, then morning tea - offer milk feed before the nap and then when he wakes from the nap he will have lunch solids and water in sippy cup and then before his nap a milk feed. WHen he wakes from the afternoon nap it would be dinner solids plus milk then bath, then milk then bed.   

He is actually not doing too bad on the sleep front. I would be encouraging him to resettle overnight without milk and also resettling at 5.00am..   You cannot resettle a hungry baby but it is ensuring you are feeding for hunger and not comfort. Babies like to suck so if you offer food overnight they will suck and take what is offered.
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Hi, I am a great believer that sleep breeds sleep.
Ideally at 7 weeks her wake times will be around 45 minutes stretching to an hour and then by the time she is 12 weeks old her wake times will be approximately 1 1/2 hours.   

Some babies do lie in their cots happily and i wonder if you try closing her eyes whether she will fall asleep. To do this I tend to stroke downwards between the eyes to the bridge of their nose or at the side of their face from the side of their forehead to just below their eyes.    The other way is to engulf her and cover her with a muslin cloth and see if this helps her fall asleep and use the cupping movement in arms.

Also just check in with what you are eating and drinking and maybe up your intake of food and drink in the afternoons.    
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HI sounds like your 8 week is going well. HOw long should he sleep at night Ideally the day doesn't start until around 6am onwards in the morning. If he wakes at 4.00am I would try and resettle and if he doesn't then do a full feed, change, offer more and back to bed.   

With regard to his day sleeps I would suggest trying and resettling and see if you can stretch his naps out to a minimum of 1 1/2 hours.

How much to leave in a bottle for hubby to feed - depends on how many feeds he has in 24 hours depends on how much he drinks

At his age I would suggest leaving 150mls (without knowing his weight).   If he drinks it all up he may want more so have a little extra in the fridge. He will drink anything from 90 mls to say 150mls.   
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Hi i always put them down for naps as I would put them down for the night. The difference between day and night is that the house is busy during the daytime naps and at nightime the house is darker and still.

Well done - I would be looking at having wake times of around 45 minutes in the day so no need to keep your baby up longer than that.   

At this age he may fall asleep sounds like he is a little tired at the moment but as he grows to avoid the feed/sleep association when i do a top up i feed, swaddle/sleeping bag and then into bed. This automatically breaks that feed/sleep cycle

Yes, you can put him to bed wide awake and this is where you start your settling from.   I change from nurturing in arms anywhere from six to twelve weeks - ideally closer to 12 weeks but it does depend on the baby and the mum.
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Hi Ladies
Thank you for all your questions and hopefully the answers will help you. It was lovely to meet you all at the OHBaby Coffee Catchup.

Remember before you do anything STOP, THINK, and ACT – work out what you are doing, why you are doing, and what you are trying to accomplish and then act.

Remember YOU are the baby’s mum and so listen to your heart and instinct.   Yes, we all don’t do it by the book, or get it right the first time, but you need to make ‘mistakes’ to get it right for you.   It’s a time of learning a little person’s personality and figuring out what works for your home life.

If you have the time I would love to see you pop over to http://www.facebook.com/BabyWithin and 'like' it. You can then keep up with information that I post from time to time or hear from other mothers who write on the wall. Also there is now a “recommendations’ section and it would great to hear your comments.

Please remember as a parent or carer that you should understand and acknowledge that Dorothy is NOT a licensed medical doctor or other licensed medical provider and the information that I share with you has come from experience and working with numerous families and babies and toddlers
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