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    Posted: 16 April 2012 at 8:41pm
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Soo....basically since I was a late teen I have wanted my own Newfoundland dog. It was what I had growing up but due to bad/uninformed breeding "back then" our family stopped having large dogs as it was just too hard to see them live such a short life. I am now in my late 20's and over the past 5+ years have made some great friendships at the local dog shows, which I attend whenever they are within an hours driving distance of Auckland. I have developed a strong relationship with a breeder who I see often and support at the shows. Anyway....I have been waiting for a puppy from her for around 3 years but she hasn't had a lot of luck with her matings.

Well Lo and behold she has a litter of puppies who will be able to leave for their new homes in the last weekend of June - of which she has offered me one HOWEVER I found out rather unexpectedly that my partner and I are expecting our first baby on 5 November!

I currently have 3 amazingly behaved cats who are just so easy going but I have also invested a lot of time with each of them to train them as they are now. As this is my first baby I have no idea how I, personally, will cope with a newborn but I know it will be a great challenge in life. While I haven't yet confirmed that I will be taking my puppy home I just wanted to get any feedback on this.

I am a huge animal advocate and would never take on a puppy if I couldn't guarantee that my home would be the last one it ever has. Part of me thinks that as I'd be halfway through my pregnancy, I'd have a good 4-5 months to train the dog up to prepare it. Another part of me feels strongly that its just not something I should accept if I have no idea if I will cope. I have a lot of support from friends and family but at the end of the day the "burden" of responsibility rests with you and your partner.
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I think a lot of it depends on you, and how well you will cope, which of course you can't quite know yet (as you say). My gut feeling from your post is that you would cope just fine - you would be used to the puppy by the time Bubs was born and you've got a good history with dogs so you you know what to expect.

I'm not able to commit to a dog long-term at the moment, but we foster pups for the SPCA and have been doing so for the last few months with a little baby. I haven't found it a problem at all, it's been great (particularly as my 1yo son loves them and spends ages playing with them).

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Hi Hopes

Thank you for your post - it has given me some encouragement. I admire my friend for the investment she puts into her dogs, I know its their welfare she cares for and not the money. She has never really bred to "supply the market" so I assumed that when I told her I was expecting that she would just say sorry, no which I would of accepted as I only wish to do right by her and her dogs.

A very close friend of mine is a little-person who has a 5 month old baby (3 months if she had been born at 40 weeks). Her hubby was a farmer who had little time off work when baby came home as it was spent with her in hospital as a premmy. He works 4am to 7pm and my friend stays at home with her gorgeous baby, her Lab, her 4 cats, 20 chickens, parrots and 4 rabbits! BUT even she said that I might struggle as she felt my last half of pregnancy should be spent resting.

Out of curiosity how old was your little girl when you started fostering the puppies (which by the way is very admirable!!!). I know a new baby will be hard but I am dedicated to ensuring my partner, my baby and my 3 cats all get love and obviously I have to work hard on that relationship. A dog would be no exception but I just wonder if someone will get left out?
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We got a puppy one month before I had DS (two weeks before he was due!).
BUT he was a bichon/maltese so a much smaller dog. For the first few months baby sleeps a lot, so it's only really during tummy time that the dog has direct contact with bubba. So usually it gives puppy a good amount of time to get used to being around baby and how to play with it.
As for giving the dog the attention it needs, I would invest in a good front pack or wrap for baby so they can nap on you while you walk and play with puppy. As a bonus, babies love sleeping on mama!
My only worry would be the dog jumping up on you while you are holding baby, but if you get some good training in before baby comes, I imagine that wouldn't be a problem.

And so you know....now our dog and DS are best friends! They go on little adventures around the garden and hang out together all the time. It's such a valuable relationship for our boy, and we love that he's learning about caring for and respecting animals at such a young age!
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Hey SethsMama! I believe your in the FB group with me that PeytonsMum started - congrats on baby number two :)

Wow a puppy two weeks before due date is impressive! Did you get a lot of negative comments from your family as that is one thing I am dreading should I proceed with my decision - suppose it doesn't help I already have 3 cats :(

The front pack suggestion is also a brilliant idea that I hadn't thought of! Will also probably give me much more control over walking a dog than it would if I had a stroller to control as well! I am also worried about the dog jumping up on me but as you also say that needs to come quickly with obedience training. In my past experience with these dogs, while they can be clumsy they do seem to gain an awareness of their size especially when socialised during puppy school with other dogs of all shapes and sizes.

I must say I was prepared for a lot of feedback saying a newborn is just too much on its own, let alone that and three cats and the THOUGHT of contemplating a puppy. You have definitely provided some encouragement to me so thank you very much!

Out of curiosity what made you decide to get a puppy so close to due date?
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We didn't really have any negative feedback...but DH family are all dog people (and its his family up here, my family are spread around so they weren't really around when we got the puppy).
DH had been talking about getting one as soon as I got pregnant because he grew up with dogs and wanted our baby to grow up with them too. We talked about breed a couple of times but it really wasn't a big thing which breed (apart from some obvious ones) because his family had always had different breeds, so it was more about having a dog around to grow with our family.
We got it so close to the due date because I was working full time til december then with xmas and holidays we just didn't get around to looking into it.
We were out shopping for bubba one day when his parents called and said there was a gorgeous wee pup at the pet shop we had to see. So we went down and fell in love! He was a gorgeous ball of fluff. So quiet and a little lonely because they had sold his brother the day before.
I managed to pull myself away and put the puppy down because I was thinking 'we are about to have a baby, this is the worst timing' but on the way home DH turned the car around and said he couldn't leave pup there all alone so we went back and got him!
It wasn't a planned thing, but worked out brilliantly as Louis (dog) and Seth are about the same size now, and like I said, totally best friends. Can't imagine having to entertain DS without the dog to make it easier now I'm tired all the time
Woah...bit of a novel, sorry!
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Thank you for sharing your story :) Sometimes gut instincts can be irational cravings to want something but more often than not they turn out to be a sign towards something that was just meant to be! In your case, thats what I believe your DH turning around the car was! I talked about it with my sisters the other day. Both are paediatric nurses, one who specialises in Paediatric intensive care and they both thought it was too much but then I have always been animal crazed - not often you meet people who go to dog shows as spectators for fun! lol So as you as can imagine I am definitely dreading my family's response, I think I have a tendency to care a bit more than I should about what others think which leads me to lose confidence in myself, guess I am a bit over-sensitive in that respect :)
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It's hard not to worry about what others think. But I think when you become a mum you start to realise that gut instincts count for a lot. You learn to stick up for what you believe is right for your child, and that just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean your doing something wrong. I get that a puppy is a different situation but I think if you think you can cope with an extra animal, and you have the support of your partner then you can do it. Ultimately it comes down you you and your partner...not to nosey neighbours and well-meaning family.
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Very well said SethsMama
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With a newfy, you won't need to walk it properly until it's past 12 months, I have big dogs myself, check with your friend but I'm sure that she'll say no serious walks til it's older.

One child & one puppy should be ok, just make sure you have a crate for it so you can give it time out. My sanity time too.

I struggled with a 10 week old pup and a 6 month old, that was the daftest thing I'd ever done but you'll have most of the toilet training & tiny puppy stuff out the way by the time you have bubs, you'll be just on the cusp of destructo behaviour.

Also start training classes with it when it's 16 weeks old, so you get the basic behaviour under control while it's still young & you'll enjoy the time with the puppy one on one while you're still training it too.

I think it's entirely doable, just have plans in place for the first couple of weeks, maybe if pup can go back to the breeders for a short period of time?
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We have two dogs and found the puppy stage very full on with both of them. I wouldn't get a new puppy around the same time as having a baby just because I would feel like I wouldn't be able to give either of them my undivided attention.


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Hi AandCsMum,

Thank you for your feedback! We live a few houses down from a Scouts centre which has a lovely huge lawn that I envisaged taking the pup to for obedience training and even basic show training for Ribbon Parades and fun days. Its quite valuable hearing feedback from large breed dog owners as they are not that common!

Wow what was the breed of your 10 week old pup you had! While you admit you struggled, you have also achieved it which I believe is extremely awarding!

Being realistic one would hope that a 6 month Newf (should be 6+ months by time baby comes) will be toilet trained and have basic obedience skills honed otherwise you would be in severe trouble - BABY OR NOT!

My breeder and friend is very welcoming to have her dogs stay should her pet owners ever go on vacation so that is actually quite a good idea! I have had a crate for 2 years (waiting in anticipation) and really like the idea of crate training for 'quiet time' especially when you first let them in and they get a bit carried away with their excitement!
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Originally posted by Nov_12_Bub Nov_12_Bub wrote:

Out of curiosity how old was your little girl when you started fostering the puppies (which by the way is very admirable!!!). I know a new baby will be hard but I am dedicated to ensuring my partner, my baby and my 3 cats all get love and obviously I have to work hard on that relationship. A dog would be no exception but I just wonder if someone will get left out?


We first fostered puppies when she was two months old - but that was only because there were first puppies to foster at that point. I could easily have started earlier. We did foster a couple of kittens when she was about a month old.

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Thanks for your feedback LuckyRed - yes two puppies I imagine would be a lot of work! The puppy (if I choose to have one) would be at least 6 months old by the time my baby is due but I know what you mean, it is still very close timing between the two.
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We didn't have two puppies at once, our dogs are 5 and 2 but individually we found them to be a lot of work. I guess by 6 months time you will have the hard parts sorted out like the initial training but I found with both my dogs that they had that puppy personality for the first couple of years so were quite crazy and we couldn't trust them not to destroy anything they got their paws on


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Oh sorry I didn't read that properly! Well my original plan and thoughts are to have the dog complete all required socialisation and basic training but each dog is different and may progress slower than others so I guess its these "what if's" I really need to consider thoroughly.

I had been doing a lot of reading and noted that the canine teeth come in around the 6 month mark which can lead to chewing!
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Hi Nov_12_Bub
CONGRATULATIONS on your expectant bubs. My husband and I always wanted a dog but didn't think it would be fair on it while we were both at work all day. When we found out I was pregnant we went on the hunt to find ourselves a family dog. The plan was that by the time bubs got here it would be trained and not as much hard work on me having a puppy and new baby at home. Well we found ourselves a lovely little lab who is exactly the same age as what I am pregnant (so she's just on 8 months now and we got her at 6 weeks old). She was tough when she was little as a lot of training was required. The only thing I would have to say so afr is that as you get further along in your pregnancy it does become a little harder to do the walks every evening which I do with her. If we don't walk then she goes a bit mental around the house she is well trained now though and she sleeps outside which is a bonus as when I've had enough she happily goes outside. At 8 months she does CHEW A LOT!!! Namely SHOES!!! This will mean I'll need to keep an eye out on bubs toys I guess. Also when bubs is little I won't be able to just put a mat on the ground for baby to kick on unless I'm standing there watching as our lovely lab will probably lick and lick and lick every chance she gets... could be a bit much for a new baby! Hope this helps. I think it's good that you have experienced having a dog before as you kind of know what to expect. Hope this helps maybe just a little.
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Hi Leap

Thank you for your congratulations and for your advice. Congrats to you too on your little one - not long to go now! Due to the particular breed, and also mentioned above, you have to be careful with these dogs as puppies i.e. no long walks, especially not on hard services like concrete for the first year of its life as their bones go through a tremendous amount of growth. As large as they are, people don't realise they are as fragile as china and how you care for them as babies may dictate their future life span.

At 6 months we will be giving it exercise of a mild form, my partner likes to walk alot and I think he is excited at the prospect of having a friend with him as I have been attending gym up until recently so I am sure dear partner will be able to lend a hand as I progress towards the later stages. By then I hope to be resting at home and try and do morning walks when I hope to have more energy.

Quite interesting to hear of the chewing factor of your pup. My partner is very much into his technology and thankfully none of our cats have ever been destructive and chewed wires - not so sure if a dog would be a different story though!
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We left our 6 month old lab alone inside for an hour one time when we went out and we got home she had chewed through all of our remotes and our phone! Honestly they are chew-aholics when they are young but now they are both older they can stay inside all day by themselves (when we're at work and it's raining) and they don't touch a thing


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Newfoundlands are such lovely dogs Im sure as long as you are consistent with training it would be great to have a family dog. We have two very high energy staffys who are great around my 15 month old daughter but we've had them for at least a year before bubs came, but what Ive found is having a well behaved and trained dog makes everyone alot more calmer and happier. So use those 6 months to get some good training into your pup and introduce him to lots of people and other dogs.

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