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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10783554

Is it fair to ban shots of Piri Weepu bottle-feeding his baby?

Images of All Black hero Piri Weepu bottle-feeding his baby have been cut after protests by breastfeeding crusaders.

La Leche League, a pro-breastfeeding organisation, has taken offence from a few seconds of film showing the All Black tenderly feeding a bottle of milk to daughter Taylor. The brief scene has been cut from an anti-smoking ad, due to complaints from the league.

One email said: "The damage that this shot of a celebrity All Black will do to breastfeeding in New Zealand Aotearoa will be significant."

Karen Guilliland, chief executive officer of the College of Midwives, said her organisation opposed the ad too. "We just figured that Piri Weepu was so loved that whatever he did would carry a huge weight."

Have these organisations overreacted, or have they made a valid point? Should the images of Piri Weepu bottle-feeding his baby have been removed? Send us Your Views.

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I can't decide where I fit on this! I am very pro-breastfeeding, or maybe just pro-normalising breastfeeding, so I can see the LLL's point I guess. But man, it does seem weird to cut out such a sweet image of him parenting his child.
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I think it's an over-reaction.
My DH bottle fed DS with my breast milk. Just because it's a bottle doesn't mean it's formula.
I don't know any woman that would choose to not breast feed because Piri Weepu bottle fed.
Seems like a big jump to make.
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I agree with SethsMama.

Firstly, I breastfed both my kids for 12 and 14 months until they self-weaned. I also did formula top-ups for DS for the last few months of BF'ing. Just to show you where I am on the BF vs FF debate (ie: I don't give toss how you feed your child. Just feed them ).

My DH often bottle-fed my kids EBM and formula. It was great bonding time for them.

Getting back to the case in point.
TOTAL over reaction.
Women KNOW that Breast Is Best. It's shoved in your face when you go into hospital to have your baby - just in case they didn't notice their own boobs leaking and getting engorged within days of delivery.
It's the natural thing to do.

I understand the importance of the campaign for breastfeeding. But I also understand the importance of feeding your child.

If Piri Weepu (shirtless to boot!) wants to help his partner by taking over some of the responsibility of feeding their daughter, let him!
If he'll spur more guys on to help their partners with babycare, whether it's EBM or formula in that bottle, then let him be in the ad FFS.

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As if Piri Weepu is that much of a celebrity people would do everything he does. If someone was that impressionable I'd say they have bigger problems!! Its just another example of the breast is best campaign being rammed down people's throats. I don't think most people would notice he was feeding her with a bottle considering it was not important in the ad, let alone go oh right that settles it I'm going to bottle feed my baby.

To be clear, I support breastfeeding, I just don't support it being put to people in a way that makes them feel guilty and failures if it doesn't work out. And I support choice and support for mothers however they choose feed their babies. This is getting so out of hand!!!
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I also think its great showing someone like Piri Weepu feeding with a bottle- shows that sometimes even All Blacks wives can possibly have trouble with feeding/choose to let their partner help with the feeding and that's OK.
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Big over reaction......A man does not have breasts that can feed a baby! If it was one of the netballers or another female celeb, then fair call but for christs sake a man feeding a baby, how else is he going to do it!!!
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I totally agree with you AandCsmum. i think people should take the positive spin on it and say wow look at Piri helping to care for his children and hope that it will spur on more dads to be hands on with their children!
Fathers need positive role models too and who better than a manly All Black to prove its ok to be hands on!
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EXACTLY!!!

I haven't even read the article cause I know it'll piss me off lol
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It's just media spun BS.

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I agree with everyone else, such an over reaction. Funny thing, this article has brought more attention to Piri bottle feeding his baby than the add would have and everyone fully supports him (from the comments I read anyway) and not the midwifery council or LLL. Probably not the reaction tey wanted/needed.
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It's a total load of bollocks. Families should be able to choose how they feed their baby, it was a 6mo baby and who knows the background. What was Piri going to do - BF the baby!! Nice to see a man nurturing his bub and being involved in feeding i say. Especially a cute topless man.

The bf nazis have too much say in NZ. I bf my boys cos it was easy, but it is not that way for everyone and why shouldn't we acknowledge that and support all people to make the best decision for their family and well being.

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I think this debacle says more about the very poor state of NZ media Had LLL come out and started a campaign to ban the scene then yeah I'd get the uproar, but LLL were asked (along with other bf groups) by the makers of the ad for their thoughts. It was a consultation which happens in advertising (and tv) all the time and often results in scenes being cut for one reason or another - no big deal. I'm seriously wondering what NZ Herald's deal is, they have that awful motherhood opinion piece writer (sorry I forgot her name) and now they twist a completely normal occurrence and have instigated (not outright sure, but really what did they think the reaction was going to be when they worded the article like that?) a hate campaign against an organisation who is all about supporting mums




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Who said the milk wasn't expressed?

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its totally rediculas! how do they know it wasnt expressed? and if it was expressed are they now saying that breast milk in a bottle isnt ok? does it have to be straight from the breast or something?
i think its great having a man who is a nz rep in sport on tv feeding their baby, that says to people watching see any guy can help out and feed their baby.

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Originally posted by Booski Booski wrote:

I think this debacle says more about the very poor state of NZ media


AMEN!!!

This kind of things get me hot under the collar, to be honest. What happened was that the people making the add consulted LLL, who had an opinion. Whether we agree with it or not isn't a major in my mind - they were consulted, they let the people making the add know, and the people making the add thought it was worth taking into consideration. Not a group of people running round kicking up unnecessary fuss, no 'breastapo', just a group of people asked for their opinion who gave it. But the media takes it and sensationalises it and gets everyone hot under the collar. Gah.

(I don't have any issue seeing bottlefeeding in something like that, and it wouldn't affect the fact I breastfeed. But I can totally see LL's opinion, and hardly thing they should be dragged over the coals for giving it when asked )

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I agree the media have sensationalised this- but it wouldn't stir people up so much if it wasn't for the much bigger issue about breast vs bottle feeding that already exists and how people can be made to feel about it.
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Originally posted by Booski Booski wrote:

I think this debacle says more about the very poor state of NZ media Had LLL come out and started a campaign to ban the scene then yeah I'd get the uproar, but LLL were asked (along with other bf groups) by the makers of the ad for their thoughts. It was a consultation which happens in advertising (and tv) all the time and often results in scenes being cut for one reason or another - no big deal. I'm seriously wondering what NZ Herald's deal is, they have that awful motherhood opinion piece writer (sorry I forgot her name) and now they twist a completely normal occurrence and have instigated (not outright sure, but really what did they think the reaction was going to be when they worded the article like that?) a hate campaign against an organisation who is all about supporting mums


I've been saying this allllll afternoon since I read the article! Well said Booski!
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I think you're all missing the point here - the point is not whether it is expressed breastmilk, or if his daughter's mother can not breastfeed, but about the implicit endorsement of bottle feeding. Before all bottle feeding mamas jump up and down about how there's nothing wrong with bottle feeding etc etc - that's not the point. We all KNOW that breast milk is unquestionably better for babies than bottle feeding (and no, i'm not trying to make anyone feel guilty, but that's a fact, and we all know it), and as such, society should be doing all it can to promote it. In Piri Weepu's ethnic demographic, breastfeeding rates are low, and someone with such status as him implicitly endorsing bottle feeding has a negative impact on the promotion of breastfeeding amongst this demographic (however subtle or subconscious this maybe).
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total overreaction and PC gone mad in my opinion!!
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Originally posted by Booski Booski wrote:

I think this debacle says more about the very poor state of NZ media Had LLL come out and started a campaign to ban the scene then yeah I'd get the uproar, but LLL were asked (along with other bf groups) by the makers of the ad for their thoughts. It was a consultation which happens in advertising (and tv) all the time and often results in scenes being cut for one reason or another - no big deal. I'm seriously wondering what NZ Herald's deal is, they have that awful motherhood opinion piece writer (sorry I forgot her name) and now they twist a completely normal occurrence and have instigated (not outright sure, but really what did they think the reaction was going to be when they worded the article like that?) a hate campaign against an organisation who is all about supporting mums


Exactly!

I love this response to the whole debacle:

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