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    Posted: 06 August 2008 at 9:55pm
hi im sorry if this has been done before but im kinda getting a bit stressed. my baby use to be a really good sleeper at night and ok durind the day but now he refusers to sleep for more then 20 mins during the day and wont sleep till late at night like 10.30 an last 2 nights he woke every 3 hours and he use to sleep about 8 in a row. my mum said to let him cry 1 min for every pound he is so i try let him cry for 16 mins but he gets so upset he starts to cough and choke and i get so worried. any ideas on what to do?

also he has now started to bite me wen he feeds and it hurts so much to feed him now, can i stop him from doing that? hes 11 weeks old
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I wouldnt let him cry for 16 minutes i think other will agree
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Firstly....

Now .. I personally wouldnt let a baby cry (but that is just me).

We went through a shocking stage with her and I did basically whatever it took to get her to sleep.

This included, putting her in a sling (if it was daytime) ... letting her sleep in my arms and there was a period when DH moved out of our bed and I slept with Issy.

They dont form "habits" till they are much older so I would just do whatever it takes to keep you all sane
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i so agree with not letting a baby cry im so reluctant to do it but i thought nothing else worked so i would try it but i hated it. i wont try it again. yea i let him sleep on me or in my bed because he actually sleeps then though thats a bit hard when you have a house to tidy. i wonder if mayb i am missing his cues and putting him down to late. i just feel bad because then he gets grumpy and so tired. but hes asleep now yay!
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I personally DO let mine cry.
We went thru a stage where Thomas wouldnt go to sleep unless he was being cuddled by me, and I wasnt getting anything done (your bub is 2 weeks older than Thomas) I just HAD to put him in his cot and let him cry. Eventually he learned that he was alright and nothing was wrong with him and he'd settle. Its most distressing when they cry and cough and carry on, but it's not doing them any harm.
EG: this morning. Thomas was fed at 3am (he's on 4 hourlys) and was awake at 6am crying. He went back to sleep within 15mins. He's just starting to wake up again now. Works just right :D
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I used to let the gremlins cry, can't say it was very successful, they never really learnt to self settle and in hindsight they were probably in pain from reflux. I do crying it out with my babies when they're older, it worked well for Maya, not so well for the gremlins who are still not sleeping thru at 21 mths.

The mothercraft nurse has given me some suggestions for Chiara which seem to work. She says to swaddle her and put her down when she starts showing tired signs, if she cries to go in and pat her gently to settle her but not to pick her up as if you keep picking them up it can overstimulate them even more. So far it seems to be working, and I know when I go in to pat her if she's hungry coz her wee mouth is fishing, or if she's got wind coz she is squirmy and arching her back.

I do let her grizzle in the cot, she usually squawks intermittently then often settles herself to sleep but if she carries on longer than 5 min or starts to wind up to real screaming then I go in and pat her.
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Can't help with the biting question - bottle babies here, but do you wrap your DS for sleeps?

I didn't really wrap Amy - first time mum, couldn't figure our how to get it to stay on! But with Sophie I had a great wrap that I bought from the Sleep Store and she settled really well in it.

Also what is your wee boy sleeping in - Cot, basket, bassinet? We moved both our two into their big cots at about 9 - 10 weeks. We had found with Amy that she was hitting the side of her basket with her hands and waking herself up.


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thanks so much for the help! hes in the cot now though has only been in there for a week. i use to swaddled him but then he seemed to wake himself up trying to get his arms out. he was so good at it but i will try it again at next sleep i did notice he likes to grab his face in his sleep.
btw he had alot better sleep last night thank goodness so im going to try work on the day sleeps
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If he hasn't been doing it for long it could just be the 3 month growth spurt happening. Maybe he just wants to feed more in the day and cluster feed in the evening, it might also be why he is biting if perhaps he is getting frustrated at the feeds. (or he might have just worked out that he can bite you so is ).

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i`dont no why hes doing that but its really bad hes making me bleed. he prob forgets wat hes doing its usally near when hes finished. i have tried to express and give him a bottle but he refusers to suck on that. but otherwise hes such a good baby
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i dont want to come across as complaining. because i feel so lucky having him he really is my gift from god!
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I agree with it probably being the 3 month growth spurt. Josh was a shocker during all of his.

As for the biting i didnt breastfeed but we were told at AN classes if baby did this to take them off the breast tell them gentle but firmly 'No we dont bite' before relatching them. Eventually they will associate that behavior with feeding being stopped so they stop doing it.

Dunno if it works but it makes sense i guess.
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WIth the biting - I wonder if it's cos your letdown is slower towards the end, and he's getting frustrated that there's no milk (or not as much) coming out? If you think that might be it, you could do some things to up your milk supply... lots of protein, water, complan, bananas, even herbal supplements. It might not even be that, but just a thought.

Sleeping - my boy slept way better when he was wrapped so I think it's good advice to try that again. Does he have a dummy?

Oh and I know that my boy has often gone through different phases where, for no apparent reason, his sleeps just went crazy! I was sooo tired. But then again, for no apparent reason, they got better again. I think it coincided with him learning to roll over, just disrupted his sleep for some reason. It will get better!

Just had another thought - is he warm enough? Once we started putting a little oil heater on low all night, Harry slept much better. Also he has a sleeping bag which keeps him nice and warm.

And hey, it's not *complaining*, you're exhausted and you want to try and find something to help!!
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Yeah actually wrapping is awesome, we went to the sleep centre at 3.5 months cos Spencer would wake after one sleep cycle (45mins) really upset and wouldn't go back to sleep and one of the first things they did was to start wrapping him again, I carried on wrapping till 7 months and then moved to a pekemoe (a sleepbag but the arms are inside it). I thought he didn't like it cos he would fight me putting it on him but he definitely slept better and longer.
Boosting supply you can get some maternity tea from health stores that help or milk flow tablets. Rest is the best thing but sometimes not possible with an unsettled bub.

Like arohanui said its not complaining, its asking for help so you and him can be happier, nothing wrong with that at all.

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Re: wrapping I found the instructions on the Sleep Store website great with the gremlins, Maya never got out of her wrap but Sienna was a real houdini but when I started following their instructions and using bigger wraps it was much more successful.
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Jack has never been a good sleeper. I began putting him on the sling and he slept better but it got hard on my back. We ened up buying a hammock (Natures sway 2nd on TM) and he slept alot better then, I think he flet really secure and cosy.

I would recommend reading (if you haven't already) bot "Sleeping like a baby" Pinky McKay and "No cry sleep solution" can't remember the author. I found these good as I never wanted to let Jack cry, especially so young.

Could the biting be because he's finished feeding and just mucking around? If you took him off then would be protest and still be hungry or fine? Jack did this, mucked around at the end of a feed but I think he was a bit older
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We started wrapping (and sleeping Daniel in a hammock) and he started sleeping really well, till he had a growth spurt 2 days ago. Last night was better, but the growth spurt "day", he would feed really frequently and only cat nap.   Ditto the Sleep Store instructions. We got one of their plain cotton wraps (1.2m x 1.2m) and it works brilliantly.

We do let Daniel cry (and he's only 2 1/2 weeks ), but not for more than 10 minutes. He also has a different cry between "I actually really need attention cos I'm hungry/hot/dirty/gassy" and "I'm overtired" which is more of a squawk. If it's a "really need attention" cry, I get him up within a couple of minutes. We only started letting him cry once we had feeding sorted, so we knew he wasn't crying cos he was hungry. Sometimes he just needs a wee cuddle.

Sorry - not much practical help there! But ditto the others - you're not complaining - this is what OB's here for!
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It is not complaining - it is sharing a load and that makes it lighter to carry

As Flissty said - that is what OB and coffee groups are for - I would have gone totally mental with out mine


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Lil miss is crying atm, but it's a pretty half hearted effort, she screams for a minute or two then stops and then starts again. She's fed and changed and I've picked her up twice to wind her so now she just needs to go to sleep. My nanny just went in to put the washing away and she's like " baby can't even keep her eyes open she's so tired!"
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Asleep already!
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