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    Posted: 09 July 2008 at 2:50pm
I posted a while back about sleeping problems with my 5month old. I tried some of the suggestions mentioned with some success, however things are probably getting worse.

The best way to describe it is that I think S has got his days and nights mixed up! He goes to bed at 7pm and is up 4-5 times a night. He won't resettle without feeding. As the night wears on I think the breast is more of a comfort to him than actually needing feeding. As a consequence of feeding all night he isn't really interesed in feeding during the day. He will go up to 6 hours during the day without feeding and even when he does, he isn't really bothered and will have a few sucks (5 mins max) before being finished.

We are in a bit of a circle and I was wondering if anybody else has experienced this and how I can rectify it.

My H and I are struggling to resolve this issue as I really struggle listening to S cry and because I know the breast soothes him I offer it immediately. I have tried to soothe him by singing and rocking but it seems that only the breast will cut it. He just becomes increasingly distressed until I offer him the breast.

Sorry this has turned into a bit of an epic read but hope some of you wise ladies will be able to help us
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This is what I would do if it were me..

During the day make a real effort to get him feeding properly (go to the plunket family centre if you have no success, they are very helpful) then when night time comes, do the bedtime thing as per normal and then when he first wakes up get your hubby to go in rather than you (milk machine), then if he still doesn't want to settle let him cry for a little, go back in let him know everything is ok and leave, go back in after 10 mins and do the same thing and just keep doing that.

Then if he's still not settled after 3hrs after his last feed then I would feed him. And repeat that process lengthening the time between the feeds as he gets better at it.

He just needs to learn that he's not going to get boobie everytime he wakes during the night. He's going to protest about any change you make because hes just use to waking and being fed. And the only way they know how to protest is to cry. No matter what change you make just remember that it will take him a few days or even a week to learn something new but imagine the kind of bubba he will be at the end of it. Sleeping and drinking properly

If he doesn't have already I'd get him a comfort toy (like a taggie) that he can have in his bed and suck and chew on during sleep time.

That may not be what you would want to do but it's just an idea

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Thanks Stacey!

I was hoping you might reply as you had some great advice when I last posted about his sleeping trouble. You gave me some great tips on giving a dreamfeed which I managed successfully for about 2 weeks. then he began to wake before the dreamfeed

I think the ten minute idea at night is good and I will try that. I think the daytime feeding is key but I am just finding it so hard to get him to feed when he isn't hungry. I am trying to offer the breast every 3 hours irrespective of whether he is inidicating he is hungry.

I hadn't considered giving him a comfort toy as he sucks on his hand when settling at night. When you say a 'taggie' do you mean like a small muslin or something equivalent? I really need to make some changes because things have got to change!!
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I'd suggest that you contact the sleepstore.
www.sleepstore.co.nz for some suggestions.

Also consider maybe contacting the Plunket Family Centre.

I like Stacey's ideas also. Also I think that your DP needs to step up now and give you a hand with the during the night feeds.

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I could have written your post    I have the exact same thing with my 5 mionth old.....so sorry I cant really offer any advise.

My DD is going to stay with her father for the second week of the holidays so we are going to try some tough love then.

From 10:30pm we/I will only go in to soothe, not pick up or feed. It is supposed to be pretty tough, but worth it in the end. I guess it is a form of CC or CIO. Either way, I am going to do it cos I am so OVER broken nights. I could handle if it was just a 3am or something like that, but sometimes we get ever hour or so. Argh!

Good luck!
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You may not agree with it, but CC or CIO are the easiest ways (in terms of nights it should take) to get the problem solved. Jack learnt that pretty quickly. If he wakes in the night now I see if its his teeth and he gets pamol otherwise he has water.

You can offer bubs water (say 50mls) and they soon learn they don't want water and therefore just resettle and go back to sleep. Worked a treat for us.

I agree with everything Stacey has said. Another option is to get a dummy for the comfort sucking, but I don't really know if you'd want to introduce one at this age cos then you have to go through the whole withdrawal thing later on...
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Thanks for the replies

We have decided to start to make a few changes tonight. We are going to introduce a soft teddy bear to help him self-settle and will hopefully make his last feed approx 10pm. I know it will be a pretty long night and we've decided to take it in turns to get up to settle him overnight. I think we will probably adopt a 10minute rule of settling and then leaving for 10 mins. My H is really pleased that I have made a decision and I'm actually going to address it

We have agreed to stick to it for 1 week and if still no improvement we will re-think things again

JD - I think I replied to a post you wrote a while back about the problems you were having, and that they were exactly the same as the problems we were having! I hope things work well for you
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Good luck!
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My only other advice is to then tomorrow try begin a feeding routine. My boy was like that as a newborn so I started feeding him 3-4 hourly this sometimes meant waking him during the day which I found really hard. It did mean that he then got lots of breast milk during the day and he very quickly started to have his longest sleep at night. At 3 months old he slept through and has ever since bar teething. Its quite a structured approach but demand feeding wasnt working for us, he was sleeping for 6 hours during the day and then up all night long feeding furiously so we had to teach him night and day. So open curtains during the day, noise etc, then obviously quiet and dark at night. Good luck I hope all these ideas from everyone will help. Not everyone agrees with this approach but I was a walking zombie as I couldnt sleep 6 hours during day! and it really helped us quickly turn it around
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