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    Posted: 08 June 2008 at 11:36am
So Thomas has been crying for what.... the last 4 hours with breaks to feed. He's so full of wind and has had a dose of gripe water to try and help. Its not little 'im hungry' cries, its big destressing ones. He's been doing this on and off for the last few days and I'm seriously going mad. I've been demand feeding cuz thats all that seems to settle him - i've tried warm baths, white noise, wrapping, giving him a dummy, just holding him when hes really badly upset and nothing seems to work :(
It really sucks cuz the poor wee thing is SO tired! He's constantly yawning. Normally when I pick him up he settles down (and i'm not picking him up straight away when he cries either)
Mum gave me a break last night and sat up with him so I could sleep, and she gave him a teaspoon of warm boiled water which he seemed to enjoy after screaming his lungs out.
What would you ladies suggest?
Oh and he doesnt have a temperature either, I check that often.
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Take him to the Dr. Go with your instincts, if you think there is something wrong then there probably is. It sounds a bit like what Chloe was doing and when I finally took her to the Dr she had tonsilitis and an ear infection! But she never got a temp with those. She would only sleep little bits and was always tired and always feeding, but she would only drink little bits.

Even if it's just for your peace of mind... it's free, or cheap, to take them and it's better to be safe.
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Sounds like he might have collic, this is what mum said i did when i was a baby and they finally relalised I had collic.

I think mum used to lean me forward and hold me under my chin and rub my back. Or pop me in the pram and walk round wih it...
You could also try a hot water bottle(just a nice warm one tho) and hold it on his tummy while you rub his back, he might find the warmth comforting, and will help him relax a bit while you rub his back.

I suffered collic thru my pregnancy aswell and the heat works wonders so It must work the same for a lil baby aswell.

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have you rung your mw? has he slept much at all? if you're having trouble getting him to sleep, maybe take him for a ride in the car or get DH to take him for a walk in the pram?
otherwise...perhaps try laying him down on his back, lifting his legs up and doing a bicycle motion to try to help relieve the wind........or hold him up high on your shoulders and gently bounce up and down to get him to burp?
another thing that calmed charli was laying her (tummy down) on my knees, gently rubbing her back and rocking legs side to side.

another thing my mw suggested once was to put them in the pram and go over a bump over and over again.....like a bump in the lino or something?



hang in there hun...these first few weeks are the hardest but it DOES get better

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and if all else fails and you are worried.....take him to your GP.......as little bug said, it's free and even if they can't help, at least you get some re-assurance

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I'd give your midwife a call too, they usually have reassurance if nothing else. I second Vanessa's idea about the pram too - at Thomas' age you don't need to worry about setting bad habits or anything like that, just do what you gotta do to get him to settle.
He's a bit young yet to think about the biggies like colic or reflux, they both usually start to flare up around 3 weeks, so it probably is just wind. If the boiled water helped, go with it, it can't do him any harm.
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I would try the boiled water too as it can help settle their little tummies. And be careful not to keep thinking he is hungry and give him more feeds, as they probably wont help the wind. If its the really distressed something is hurting me cry, then feeding might make his wind/tummy worse. Like the others said, the first few weeks are tough (esp when its your first) but it will get easier.
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I found Infacol much better than gripe water for settling wind pains... give it just before a feed and make sure you burp him thoroughly afterwards.. even between sides!!
I also found the placing Keziah high on my shoulder so the pressure was on her tummy combined with patting and rubbing her back would bring up HUGE amounts of wind..
Also my partner was able to bring up more wind than I could myself.. I'm not sure why, but I'm putting it down to big hands LOL
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Yep give him to his dad! Worked a treat to bring up wind (used to take Jack about 15-20 mins to wind at that age).

I would call your m/w straight away, its what they get paid for.

And if all else fails - have you tried a dummy?
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Have you tried the 5 'S's?

Swaddling
Side (or stomach) lying
Shhhing (very soothing sound for baby - needs to be loud and close to babes ear)
Swinging
Sucking

Sounds like he's probably getting way over tired and is now struggling to get to sleep. When my newborn did a 12 hour awake stint, I ended up giving her 40 mls of formula t(o give me a break -MW's instructions) and she fell asleep at last. Might be worth considering if you're getting exhausted with feeding.

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Thanks for the advice :)
He finally got some sleep after doing the most epic poo i've ever seen (previous to this he'd been pooing regularly and doing good amounts) but this one, omg it was almost solid. When he did it, he sounded like he was going to explode! Poor little thing.

I'll have to write those 5 s's down - never heard all those before. Obviously I didnt learn crap at antenatal classes LOL!
He is getting topped up with formula anyway, and fed sitting up when we do that to avoid too much wind.

Thanks again :D
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See they don't teach you that stuff at antenatal classes! Far too much emphasis on labour and birth and not enough of the important stuff I reckon!

If he's fully breastfed it's normal for him to go a few days without a poo then have a big explosion, doesn't mean he's constipated altho some babies do et quite uncomfy before they finally go.Maya used to explode EVERYWHERE!

The Sleep Store have some good tips on newborn sleep/settling techiques too.
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Awesome, thanks :D
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Ooh and I just reread that too, if you've just started topping him up with formula it can take a few days for their bowels to adjust to the change in proteins etc. too.
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Miss Angel, I'm glad he finally got to sleep. They can be so hard to understand at times. The 5 S's I mentioned are from 'The Happiest Baby on the Block' DVD. you can probably find more info about the techniques by doing an internet search.

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How is Thomas doing today?
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He's still a grizzle bum.
This morning at 6am I woke up to him shreaking his head off cuz he'd power chucked EVERYWHERE!! EWWW. Poor little boy. I think Matt overfed him last night just to get him settled. He didnt come to bed til 4am as Thomas was just grizzling all night :(
He's settled for now - but I dont know how long that's gonna last for.
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approaching the 6wk mark?    i think this seems to be what they do around this age

if you want a break, send him to me......my 3mth old neice has been here to visit from blenheim the last couple of days and i'm soooooooo dam clucky!!!!!

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lol.. hes not even 2wks yet!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jack_&_charli Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 June 2008 at 5:30pm
stupid me!!!   i was reading your ticker as 1mth 5 days...no wonder i couldn't figure out where that time had gone!!!

if all else fails, put him in bed with you. he's still only young and sometimes that's all it takes to get a few good hours sleep for both you and bubs. there's nothing wrong with it and it's actually really nice to have those snuggles

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