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Bizzy
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Topic: lack of information Posted: 16 May 2008 at 10:24pm |
Ok so i was driving in my car today and thinking about how many mums say that there is no info out there for mums who want to formula feed... and then i started thinking about what info is out there for new mums... and then i realise there isnt much info for any of it. Most of the stuff you get from midwives, antenatal classes etc is the same stuff just worded differently. every breast feeding article is the same, the formula feeding pamphlet i read is the same as the stuff in the baby book i got... oh and lets not forget the complete lack of information for c section mums. I had to practically beg the hospital for the booklet on it and in the end they had to photocopy one for me, after searching the hospital for the original.
sure we have resources like OHbaby and other message boards, but a lot of that comes into play after the fact. like for me there was great info about c sections on here but i certainly would have liked to have that while in hospital.
anyway it was just something that i was pondering on while in the car today. feel free to agree/disagree, share where you got great info from or some resources you found particularly helpful or unhelpful.
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Posted: 16 May 2008 at 10:28pm |
i dont think there is a lot of info out for MEN. Guys have HUGE issues when the first baby is born, and yet nothing really addresses it. I must admit being very lucky in that I had a wonderful mum, grandmother, midwife and step mum who were constantly there for me - asking questions and helping out.
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Posted: 16 May 2008 at 10:32pm |
I think the best resource ever for us was and is these forums. I'm forever asking dumb questions.
But in saying that, the one thing that should be given out to every parent when they get that BFP is The Happiest Baby on the Block dvd. I'm so glad we watched it before Harry was born.
And I totally agree that resources say the same things just in different ways. A lot of them aren't specific enough, which is why it's so good to actually have other people's experiences.
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Posted: 16 May 2008 at 10:34pm |
I have to agree with you on this one Bizzy. If it wasn't for my fantastic m/w I would have stopped b/f the day I got home, she supported me through so much, bought me nipple shields and got me help from a lactation consultant. Also my SIL passed on a book "Recovering from a c section" which was a great read as my c section was an emergency I had no idea what I was in for, apart from the obvious!
OHBaby has been a life saver for me on many occassions, so thanks to all the ladies that have helped me along the way!
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Posted: 16 May 2008 at 10:45pm |
yeah i also found it very hard and am sure alot of other mums do to.. when returning to work/study after having a baby when they are breastfeeding. I made a resource booklet as part of my nursing study outlining the steps to take for this to be successful and am now turning it into a resource for our unit mums to use... cos lets face it, usually whether your bubs is prem or not, at some point you'll have to return to work, some sooner than later, and for those who still want to BF during that time, there are certainly ways and means.. but not many people actually ever tell mums about them. I've set about trying to fix this, as far as i know, the health dpt (or whoever the heck it is) only have 1 pamphlet, (v small pamphlet) about it. I will be fixing that for our mums very soon, I just had to fumble my way through with what i was doing with ayja and hope like heck it was right.
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Posted: 16 May 2008 at 11:56pm |
I agree, I was SO ignorant when I had Ella, despite spending 3 days in birthcare. I'd read a Sheila Kitzinger book and still had no idea about breastfeeding, the need for breastpads, post-partum bleeding, wrapping... the list goes on!
I thought I'd prepared myself pretty well, but I felt really lost and hopeless about a lot of stuff.
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Posted: 16 May 2008 at 11:59pm |
I agree too, all the information my MW gave me and even the stuff from antenatal looked retro... Ohbaby has been invaluable to me.
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Posted: 16 May 2008 at 11:59pm |
I have no real experience with formula but it sounds as if more info is needed. I also think that a lot of the pamphlets they give you at the hospital need to be taken away because they can be a little overwhelming getting it all and trying to wade through to find the important stuff.
With breastfeeding info there is only so much they can say. In the end I think it comes down to a bit of luck, a lot of hard word and just trust your body. sure its not always as simple as that but I think a lot of it is overwhelming and any ongoing problems need to be sorted out by a professional not a book.
Maybe a really good handout just about the first few weeks. After that theres those plunket books and thriving under fives. But straight away there needs to be really good resources to read in hospital.
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Posted: 17 May 2008 at 8:23am |
but the difference is Deb - that if you do need to ask for info on BFing it is pretty forthcoming and there are agencies like LLL that fall over themselves to help you.
If you have FF issues - who do you go to?
When I asked my Plunket Nurse, I was told in no uncertain terms that she "couldn't help me" and that she didn't know who to refer me to other than my GP
I agree 100% re the no info for CS mums. It's just disgusting!
Also, thank goodness for Oh Baby! It is a fantastic resource not just for all of the parents that offer their own experiences but also the well written articles that don't treat you like an idiot
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Posted: 17 May 2008 at 8:38am |
I know I have found this forum a life saver at times and helped me realise my kids/situation was normal...
I meet new mums all the time that are desperate for information and HAVEN'T found this/a forum and feel so bad for the way they are obviously struggling. Lots of people don't even think about these forums or even know they exist! Poor them!
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Posted: 17 May 2008 at 9:01am |
i asked for info on c section and everyone said oh haven't you been given any? (noone else had either) i found absolutely nothing on FF..still haven't and AN we had to ask about it after class...lol.. lack on information leads to googling and we know what happens then..i cant see why every new mum cant get a booklet in her bounty pack with basic (useful) info!!:) the chiro was horrified i wasn't given exercises for after my c-section either..
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Posted: 17 May 2008 at 9:25am |
maybe that your calling deb i know i would of know anything about ff or c- sections if my midwife hadnt been so helpful
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Posted: 17 May 2008 at 11:28am |
I was sooooo clueless when I had Maya, I had no idea how long feeding took, how much they were supposed to sleep, how often to change/bath them, and I didn't know that the time between feeds is from START of feed to START of feed not END of feed to start of next feed.... I just muddled thru, the best advice I got was from Family Centre when she was three weeks old and that was to feed her three hourly during the day and then only when she woke during the night. It worked brilliantly with her, with the gremlins not so much...
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Posted: 17 May 2008 at 11:46am |
I found Kathy Fray's book full of really useful info, a Sheila Kitzinger one was great re: pregnancy and birth, and this site was also invaluable to me. Funny thing about that Thriving Under Five book - we laughed at it first and called it "the Parenting For Dummies" manual... and on day two I was constantly referring to it, and did so for a few weeks!
And ugh, dont' get me started on the BF/FF info issue. There's support out there for breastfeeding if you're willing to go looking for it, and lord knows it's needed, but it's so one-sided (Breast IS Best and all). I want to see feeding support - regardless of whether it's breast or bottle, because lots of people do both, and for those who go the formula route, there's no professional help. Had I been given more good advice and less of the 'breast is best, period. no negotiation' spiel, I imagine I'd have put Ella on Neocate earlier than 9 months, and saved both of us a horrible first 9 months together. She weaned herself rather forcefully - even after that long I was too uninformed to consider it could be a better option. And when I saw how much happier she was on it, I felt guilty for not doing it earlier.
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Posted: 17 May 2008 at 12:19pm |
Maya wrote:
I was sooooo clueless when I had Maya, I had no idea how long feeding took, how much they were supposed to sleep, how often to change/bath them, and I didn't know that the time between feeds is from START of feed to START of feed not END of feed to start of next feed.... |
I was much the same when Jack was born. I didn't know about self settling, didn't even think to read any books before hand. OhBaby has been great for me but I only stumbled across it when I was at a Mothers Group run by our AN Midwife when Jack was a few months old. I am still clueless alot of the time as to where to go to get some info. I would have liked a class as well as AN that focused on after Jack was born and covered more about sleeping, self settling etc etc. I think these classes are out there but where do you look?
My Mum was great but she fed us kids when we cried, fed to sleep etc so wasn't able to give me any other options to try and she didn't know where else to direct me.
Our MW was great (will hopefully use her again when we have #2) but the first few weeks/months/year! were so overwhelming I didn't really know the questions to ask.
If I could and had the knowledge and resources I would love to set up a place that teaches these sorts of things and provides the resources to help new mums and dads
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Posted: 17 May 2008 at 12:48pm |
What about support for mums who bottle feed EBM? There's another spanner in the works for you  I offten feel like I belong nowhere ie I'm not breastfeeding as such but not bottle-feeding either as everyone assumes bottle-feeding = formula feeding
It would be good if the hospital had more information and resources available to help all mums with thier individual needs.
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Posted: 17 May 2008 at 1:15pm |
If anyone wants copies of Recovery after ceasarean which our ol Auckland Ceasarean support group use top publish in the eighties pm me. we were just mums but we got funding from cogs and now that there is no ceasarean support group there are no booklets for the hospitals to give out unfortunately
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Posted: 17 May 2008 at 1:40pm |
a tad off topic but personally id like to see more info on antinatal depression, it is serious and common and seems a "taboo" topic to talk about, i think mine was actually made worse by the few people i told who are mums also, hadnt heard of it so assumed i was depressed about the baby and didnt want it! when actually i was over the moon about it, theres all theese support groups for PND and nothing for AND & its just as bad, were still our lives getting back on track now
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Posted: 17 May 2008 at 1:51pm |
I second the AND thing, I felt terrible as everyone did assume I didn't want Jack (so not true at all!). The FF info is ridiculous, and I had such a cr*p m/w that she basically told me to b/f or else. She also said I shouldn't give Jack EBM even though it was the only way to get some milk into him in the first couple of weeks without giving him formula.
But its never going to change. Think about how back in the day people got 1-2 weeks in hospital to learn all of that stuff, now you're lucky if you get 2 when you have a natural birth. I had the people at St George's knocking at my door at 8am on the day of discharge asking me when I was leaving. I said 'Oh, I thought I had till 11am?' They said that that's the LATEST possible time for someone to leave. WTF?
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Posted: 17 May 2008 at 3:41pm |
Thanks for this Deb!
After reading the other thread I really was pondering what exactly everyone meant by a 'lack of information' about formula feeding... I mean, what else do you need to know except for putting in water and mixing up?
But after Toni's post I have realised that there are a whole host of issues... like if a baby won't take a certain teat, or has a reaction to formula etc etc.
I suppose you could ring formula companies for advice but a) they probably wouldn't have a clue and b) have a vested interest in you staying with their product.
I gave Hannah formula when she went to creche (expressing was driving me mad!) but she wouldn't freaking drink it. Luckily I had breastfeeding to fall back on and just ended up heading back to creche to feed her every few hours - but if I hadn't kept breastfeeding, what would I have done??
Anyway... slightly enlightened. And thank goodness for geeky parenting forums!!
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