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    Posted: 17 January 2012 at 9:27pm
Hi all,

I have a lovely 3 1/2 month old baby who recently started waking regularly at night. Not wanting to get in to trouble with night waking I have decided to try and get her 'self-settling'. - which basically seems to mean leaving her to cry at nap and bed times. Often it does work and she gets herself to sleep, but other times I find it impossible to tell if she's really tired or not, and then she gets overtired and it all goes a bit shaped! I'm sure I can't be alone in this and would love to hear other experiences. I can't be the only one standing in the kitchen in tears while the baby cries in their cot! Is it worth it in the end? Thanks

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I couldn't leave DD cry to sleep it simply didn't work I feed/cuddle/rock to sleep its a lovely gentle way and doesn't take very long.

They're so little at that age and they need their Mum

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I think that's too young to be getting your baby to self-settle. I'd wait till at least 6mths before trying something like that. They just need their Mum when they're little...

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Ruthyh i feel your pain. When my ds was that age (and older), i tried many different things to get him to sleep well. I tried leaving him to cry because i had read many people have success with this, but it was to stressful for me, i found myself in tears and decided it was not worth it.
I found the book Save our sleep, by Tizzie Hall very helpful, and i had success using some of her methods. She outlines some useful rourines for different age groups. Her method of teaching babies to sleep does involve some crying but only a certain amount of tome depending on your babies age. Like all books you need to take the advice you find helpful and leave tne rest.

Sorry i cant be of more help, but remember you are not alone!
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Even the cio fanatics recommend not trying it until at least 6 months...

Basically this is your baby, not your friends, not your mum's, not your plunket nurses, not the author of that book, and not the people on websites such as these.

Do what feels right to you, trust your mama instincts and worry about the rest later. If you are feeling this wrong about what you are doing, then it is not the right thing for you to be doing.
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Totally agree with maya22. Your intuition and gut-feeling is your best tool and if it doesn't feel right don't do it... At the end of the day, you need to be happy and confident about the decisions you make and if something doesn't sit right with you, try to find something that does - and don't worry about what people think! I used to worry so much about feeding/rocking to sleep because I'd read so much about it being the wrong thing to do...but it worked, and he didn't need it forever.

Like hayley1 I also tried lots of different things when DS was little, mainly The Baby Whisperer stuff. I hated hearing DS cry and preferred to use more gentle techniques. Have no idea if any of it made any difference at all - I found that things would be running along perfectly, then teeth, or a growth spurt or a cold...or something (!) would unsettle DS and we'd spend a week or more trying to get back to what we had...and the same thing still happens now! And to be honest sometimes I still rock him to sleep if he needs it...it works and it is less stress for him and me!

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RuthyH - we did self-settling and CIO from a young age and it seems to have worked well for us as most of the time our DS settles himself to sleep (not so good at doing it during the day but a champion at night). We basically let him cry for 3-5mins if he wasn't settling we would go in and turn him on his side and shh shh and tap tap 9 times out of 10 he would go to sleep if he hadn't already.

Some tips I use to stand by the jug and turn it on or go and hang the washing out figured that it would take about 3-5min and if the jug was boiled then I could have a cuppa (it also worked as a bit of white noise). The pram for a walk was always a good one if things weren't working it seemed to put my little one into a routine and didn't bring any bad habits with it.

There is also a good website www.rainymood.com I used this sometimes as well.

Hope things work for you soon whichever method you choose (sorry for the novel).
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It's biologically normal for babies this age to wake during the night, and like a previous poster said, even CIO fanatics suggest waiting until 4 months at least.

Can I ask why you want her to self-settle? Is it because you worry she won't learn it later if you leave it? Because she definitely will! And there are ways to teach self-settling without CIO, but they do suggest waiting until later on.
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Oh it's so confusing isn't it! I only have one little one so my experience isn't huge, but I know it did take me a long time to figure out what the cries meant and when he was tired etc. Never wanting to use a 'dummy' - I was totally opposed - I caved at 6 weeks as he just seemed to be a'sucky baby' (rocking/cuddlding didn't work!) - he still has it (doesn't bother me now!). I think the main thing I have learnt is that all babies are so totally different and what works for one will probably not work for another - so all the books (and I was a big fan of reading them!) in our house have been thrown out! I know some babies who have always had a little cry when they go to sleep and others sing themselves to sleep!
Good luck - and BTW - you are not the only one who has stood in the kitchen crying ...
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Hi Ruthy. I would agree with the others that it might be a bit early to leave bubs to cry it out. Everything is still so new for the both of you and it takes time to learn what each cry means.

I leave DS to cry it out but only for 10 minutes at 20 months and as you and every other month knows that 10 minutes is like a lifetime! I have been lucky in that DS is an excellent sleeper but it also took me time to learn what his crys meant.

Try not to be too hard on yourself. If it is really stressing you out then leave it for a few months go in and give bubs a cuddle and help settle bubs.


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It is perfectly normal for babies to need help getting to sleep. I think it is sad that we are so pressured into getting our babies to self settle when potentially it is causing them harm.
I recommend this book 'helping baby to sleep. Why gentle techniques are best'. Sorry can't remember the author right now.
It is a great book for validating your concerns at hearing your baby cry and gives you knowledge to think over when so many tell you that your baby should be self settling and sleeping through.
Trust me when I say a year or two of your babies life is not very long in the big scheme of things.

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RuthyH - so not the only one!

My two were both different, DS1 needed a dummy but still did a lot of crying and we did CC with him. DS2 was so attached at 3 1/2 mths at that point he was never put down. By 4mths I started CIO - yes it was horrible, yes I was crying in the hallway, but a week later and it was 99% better!

Now he's 9mths with don't often CIO, unless he's just beyond anything else.
No, honestly the other night he was crying, we rocked, shhhed, and hugged for an hour, then put a crying baby in bed and asleep in 1min.

CIO, the first week was the worst. day 3 was really really hard, but even by day 2 at some sleeps you could tell that it was improving. If you are trying CIO, give it a good and honest (and much crying for you) go for 3 - 4 days. If you can't tell an improvement in that time CIO probably isn't for your situation.
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You are NOT the only one.. I had the same problem about that time.. it was horrendous. We ended up unwrapping her, letting her sleep on her tummy and took her to a cranial osteo... it worked fantastically. We still had some tears, but it was a whole lot less stressful as we knew nothing was actually "wrong" with her. She still woke up 1x night till 7 months (she was starving, until she could eat enough to keep her going).

Good luck, there's no easy solution, but you need to do what works for you. You could give the crying a rest for a week or two and try again later.


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we tried this at about 4 months but it never really worked and I couldn't do it to my wee one, in retrospect I think he was too young. However we tried again at 7 months and after a few hard nights over a couple of weeks we have a lovely night sleeper. we still have our ups and downs but overall he is great and sometimes needs a reminder about self settling. go with your heart as you and your baby may be too young and not ready for this step. I know its hard, hang in there... you will get there in the end
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You are def not the only one that has stood in the kitchen crying!! And I find it so hard to read my 10 week olds cues, sometimes i think you have to let them cry a little..depends on the baby, it works for my bub, i put him down i let him cry for 1 or 2 mins then i go back in a resettle him and he then goes back to sleep. It's like he has to have that little cry to wind down. Sometimes i put him down and he falls asleep on his own but whatever works, he has been fine over night though sleeping for about 10 hours...
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It's not worth crying over. Some days my little dd used to cry so I'd just pop her in the front pack. Other times she was happy in her cot. With my first I did CIO and I have to admit I regret it. Now a second time mum I know that you can break bad habits later if you want, if they are bad habits in you eyes, so don't worry about it now. The buggy walk is also handy!
Do what makes you comfortable and remember its just a phase (still my mantra with my 4yo!)
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Thanks for all these lovely replies, I feel like I am definitely not alone! I have taken to letting her cry sometimes to get to sleep, but if she sounds too distressed or is winding up rather than down I go to try and help her. But I have found with both my kids that any help I give sometimes seems to make it worse! It's just impossible to know for sure what is the best approach isn't it? I think all the books make it seem like if you don't do everything they say then it will all go horribly wrong. So for now I have to accept I don't have a sleeping-through-the-night baby, and we're doing our best. I'm trying to be positive - I get to hang out with my lovely daughter in the middle of the night, not all mums get that! I'll see how I feel in a few months though...

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Ruthy it is hard that one! I tried to do the same with E at that age and then read that they cant SS at that age really, and CIO not a good thing for then. I freaked out worrying i broke my baby! She is fine though, the crying never worked she never learnt how to then, now I still feed and rock her to sleep, mainly because i like to tho, and she goes to sleep so much faster, she can SS now but it takes so much longer, like yesterday for nap she SS and took her 20mins to get off to sleep, with me feeding her to sleep she is gone in 7 mins!
IN a nut shell tho, like the others said, dont panic at all about a STTN baby, especially at that age, just do what is right for you and what makes you comfortable. She will STTN when she is ready, they always do! Some people try all the methods and they dont work because baby is just not ready and is only more heartache for mum and baby in the end of those methods cuz noone likes listening to a crying baby!
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