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Bizzy 
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Posted: 21 November 2011 at 6:34pm |
I know that lots of us wanted more privacy but i just cant help feeling that having a group that you can only enter if you have the password is a bit elitist. I'm sure that most of the time the people in charge of giving out the password would be reliable but what if they werent, what if they took a dislike to a person or group of people and decided not to let them enter... you could then get others in the group talking about the excluded ones - oh hang on isnt that a bit like the groups on FB that nobody liked? 
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Bizzy
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Posted: 21 November 2011 at 6:36pm |
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Oh and even more so if when you do go to enter for the fist time and all it says is you need a password but not how or where to apply for password...
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Posted: 21 November 2011 at 6:55pm |
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You need to have a logon and password to post here now so how is this different?
Also, if you post something on the internet then its not private. Even though you can use a username that doesn't identify you, you are still identifiable by pics and the content of your messages.
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Posted: 21 November 2011 at 8:31pm |
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If you requested a password and it was denied ie not answered or received then you could post your complaint in the original thread and pm the oh baby big chiefs? Its clearly posted who the person is to request the password from.
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Posted: 21 November 2011 at 8:33pm |
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Is this about the new weight loss topic that is private?
Is it worth trying to request a password! Would I be denied, or is the topic not very interesting?
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Bizzy
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Posted: 21 November 2011 at 9:32pm |
 LateStarterLorna wrote:
If you requested a password and it was denied ie not answered or received then you could post your complaint in the original thread and pm the oh baby big chiefs? Its clearly posted who the person is to request the password from. |
oh it didnt say a person to contact when i clicked on it - not that i dont know lol! Or do you mean it says in the older thread? And not it wasnt a case of something that actualy hapened to me just a vague for instance.
Jaz you dont need to have a password to read the forum - or have they changed that and i didnt notice... LOL that would be right... that i didnt notice such an important change.
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Bizzy
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Posted: 21 November 2011 at 9:34pm |
smw85 wrote:
Is this about the new weight loss topic that is private?
Is it worth trying to request a password! Would I be denied, or is the topic not very interesting? |
Pretty sure it is the same as the old one... and i suppose its only interesting if that is what you are into LOL.
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Posted: 22 November 2011 at 7:03am |
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wow I am surprised there is a topic on this....is OB getting that boring something has to be started out of nothing???
Bizzy you have been in the weight loss forum for a yr, I know as I have been one of the ones chatting & supporting you...so I am sure you would remember if you read other peoples post in that forum that I asked over a month ago if any one was interested in a private forum & there were a few that were so I asked admin if we could have one. It was taking so long that I said to admin last week to forget it & posted that in the forum & then yesterday it was up & running in the late afternoon.
We had over 4000 post & over 45000 views, so probably one of the highest. The reason for the private forum was so us regulars that post there all the time can put photos & stats with it & whatever with people going through the same journey.
It is not to exclude anyone it never was, but it is a forum that not everyone needs to be in for obvious reasons
Now the original weight loss forum is still there, anyone can post, view & do what ever in it...so no change at all. The privet one needs a password that admin have asked me to give out & Bizzy if you read that post a few up from your last post you would of seen that.
Now I don't recall other topics coming about because of the due date groups going private or people making FB groups & OB'ers going there to chat privately but then none of them interested me so maybe there were.
So if anyone has a problem with the new private weight loss group get hold of admin.
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Posted: 22 November 2011 at 7:10am |
LateStarterLorna wrote:
If you requested a password and it was denied ie not answered or received then you could post your complaint in the original thread and pm the oh baby big chiefs? Its clearly posted who the person is to request the password from. |
admin have asked me to give out the password...I have not denied it to anyone but then really the only ones who want it are the ones who want the privet forum for reasons mentioned above...
The weight loss group is not a group that interests everyone...& there is still a weight loss group that you can join if you want... those in the pvt one will still post in the others.
As I said if you or anyone has a problem with this then talk to admin.
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Posted: 22 November 2011 at 8:04am |
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Jazzy it wasnt a getting at you - just that the weight loss one is the first private group on here... i know you are the person to ask for the password and i dont think you would with hold it - i was just saying that that sort of thing can happen and having private groups on a forum like this can be seen as elitist. And the elitism thing is something that lots of people complained about when they thought there were secret groups on FB so it amused me that OB was practising elitism. Thats is all. Certainly not a dig at you.
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Posted: 22 November 2011 at 8:06am |
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Bizzy I'm surprised you're not part of the private weightloss thread... you've been an active part of the other one. Why don't you request the password??!
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Posted: 22 November 2011 at 8:08am |
Just to clarify my above post, it was to advise bizzy that there were things you can do should you be denied entry.
Im all for a little privacy esp when it comes to weight, good on you girls for supporting each other, maybe I'll join in one day when I can find motivation, it went on holiday and never returned 
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Posted: 22 November 2011 at 8:22am |
arohanui wrote:
Bizzy I'm surprised you're not part of the private weightloss thread... you've been an active part of the other one. Why don't you request the password??! |
what other one? OB doesnt have any others as far as i know.
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Posted: 22 November 2011 at 8:25am |
LateStarterLorna wrote:
Just to clarify my above post, it was to advise bizzy that there were things you can do should you be denied entry.
Im all for a little privacy esp when it comes to weight, good on you girls for supporting each other, maybe I'll join in one day when I can find motivation, it went on holiday and never returned
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Mine regulaly goes on holiday, it went missing in action for years!
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Posted: 22 November 2011 at 8:40am |
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Oh Jazzy it wasnt about you or even the fact that it was a weight loss group it was more the private part of it. I remember it took me ages to post in here initially cause i was scared to share my weight with any one so i can understand the need for privacy (and i guess i forgot how worried i was back then too). please beleive me that it wasnt aimed at you at all. So please accept my sincere and humble apologies...
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Posted: 22 November 2011 at 10:06am |
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Gosh, we're damned if we do and damned if we don't.
This thread is all a bit silly....Bizzy, if you can "understand the need for privacy" then why question it?
The reason why we didn't like the 'Private Facebook' groups wasn't that they existed....it was because OHbaby! was being used to recruit new members. Obviously we don't want our valuable and knowledgeable members to leave OHbaby!
As Jazzy said, if you have a problem drop us an email.
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Posted: 22 November 2011 at 10:54am |
It is a tough one. I have to admit, I don't like 'closed' forums. In some cases, I can really see why they exist - privacy etc - but for other reasons, I think it's a bit sad. For example, infertility is one possible area that could go private for good reasons. Yet I'd been lurking round the infertility boards for a good while before we were diagnosed with the problems we had. It meant I had a really good background knowledge of what to expect, and the various treatments / recommendations weren't a shock to me. I never posted but learnt a lot from lurking. I would probably have balked at asking for access to a board I didn't feel I was a legit member of at that point and missed out on a lot.
Once I was an active member of the infertility boards, I do admit that a group of us going through similar treatments set up a group on FB and chat a lot on there. That didn't really affect my OB useage, I'm still an active member.
Also - and I'm sure I'm not the only one - I just plain like lurking. I ge to know people on here, they learn they're expecting another baby, I like popping into their due date thread to see how everything's going. I've always kind of assumed that's a given on a public forum, and it takes a bit of the enjoyment out of it when I can't  Although perhaps that serves my nosey self right!
I can see why the OB admin has moved in that direction, it just doesn't really appeal to me. But you can't please everyone 
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Posted: 22 November 2011 at 11:06am |
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Hi Bizzy,
Just a clarification.
OHbaby! was not concerned about Elitism with people moving to facebook at all? We were concerned that people were telling newcomers to the site to leave OHbabY! and chat on facebook, when our forums are such a great source of community for so many women.
So I guess that opposite would be true, we didn't want people to leave because we wanted everyone chatting together.
It did raise some concerns from our members around privacy, which we have not ignored and have addressed with the password on the weightloss thread.
So...no elitism, just trying to meet the needs of our members as best we can.
Thanks very much :)
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Posted: 22 November 2011 at 11:06am |
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Thanks Hopes!
It is a toughie.
The majority of the forums won't change so there will still be a lot of room to lurk....who doesn't like a lurk? Such a funny word that 'lurk' hehe.
The weight loss thread was just getting more than it's fair share of lurkers :) There's still a lot of other weight loss threads that will remain open and I'm sure that they will continue to be popular.
We appreciate your input.
Kelly
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Posted: 22 November 2011 at 12:25pm |
Kelz wrote:
Gosh, we're damned if we do and damned if we don't.
This thread is all a bit silly....Bizzy, if you can "understand the need for privacy" then why question it?
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Gosh didnt expect an admin person to be so impartial! 
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