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    Posted: 12 November 2011 at 12:08pm
Hi lovely ladies

I am trying to convince DH why we need to spend the $$ for a seat with a high RF limit (Radian etc etc). He's totally onboard with Extended rear facing but is asking why you can't just keep a child in a convertible seat with a lower rear facing limit even once they reach the recommended weight limit (ie. keeping a child rear facing past 12kg in a seat that was only designed to RF to 12kg, if they were still under the height limits). Of course I think this is dangerous and have told him that you need to use it in accordance with manufacturers instructions - but he wants to know exactly why it isn't safe to do this. Is it that seats are only tested to a certain limit - and beyond that is an unknown, so not recommended, or is it that they test seats to higher RF limits and they're found not to be safe?

Gosh that's a bit of a jumble, I hope one of you ladies who's knowledgeable about ERF will be able to help!
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I'm not 100% sure, but I would say that is because they have been tested to a certain weight limit, putting a child above that weight limit is potentially very dangerous.
Have a look on the New Zealand Child Restraints Facebook page, they will be able to explain it all to you
 
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Not sure either but you could always ask the people at Baby on the Move or Plunket for an explanation I am sure they will have the info.
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Ooh good thinking guys thanks!
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A. It's illegal. You can't use a carseat in a way that is contrary to the manufacturer's instructions.
b. It has not passed crash testing at that weight limit which means your child may be unprotected at the time they really need to be.

My guess (completely uninformed - purely surmising ) is that they do test above the limits they put on it and make a call (an informed one, unlike mine!) that safety is compromised at x point. I highly doubt they sit around over a coffee and do a poll about what weight limit to put on it.
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My old carseat had RFing to 15kg on the manual and not past 9kg on the seat. I was told mixed things by the manufacturer about it. But basically it's unsafe to keep them rearfacing past the weight limit and quite frankly would you really want to risk your baby's life? I had to have this conversation with my MIL who tried to use DDs car seat first without the tether strap and then again with it strapped to a hook in her boot which wasn't a tether bolt!

But what's more important buying a new seat or booster that will be safe for your child to travel in or saving money and possibly risking your baby's life by letting them ride in something that could potentially not save them in a crash or something!
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High, did you have an evenflo? The instructions on their seats are confusingly written. But you can rearface until 15kg but MUST rearface until 9kg.
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you are basically using your child as a crash test dummy if you have them rearfacing past the weight limit. you dont know how the seat will peform in a crash if your child is heavier than the weight limit.

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Yes I did. Have since returned it. Had a few other issues with the seat too plus Evenflo has US standards and apparently you are better off buying a seat with Aussie/NZ standards as they are 'higher'. But each to their own ay!
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Also re Evenflo, I was told by Evenflo that I shouldn't use it past 9kg yet others were being told different!
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I'm not suggesting I would actually contradict manufacturers instructions and keep her in a car seat past the weight limit (being a bit anal about these things)...i'm (and DH) are just interested in WHY the weight limits are what they are......I have no interest in her being a 'crash test dummy'.
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Well that's WHY... They haven't been tested past that.
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Or if they have been tested past that, they have FAILED.

Not hard really, why not just follow the manufacturers instructions and accept that the rules are there for a reason.
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Well hope you got the responses you wanted and your DH will fork out for a lovely new carseat. Tbh I've found it depends on your childs size. DD was born small but she's been top of the charts height/weight wise which has meant she grows out of things faster!
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If the car seat is made in Aussie it might only be acceptable to 13kg because that is what the standards in aussie are. So doesn't always mean it is dangerous as such beyond weight limit, just hasn't been tested (or has been tested by manufacturer but standards don't exist for those tests and they can't use the weight limits).

In saying that, I can't imagine that a child of 12.1kg would be in peril if the car crashed as there is bound to be some kind of buffer between safe and unsafe.



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please please dont use it past the weight limit.

I work with a young tetraplegic lady who is the result of being 15kg in a man 12kg rear facing seat after a car accident age 18months.

she broke her neck and now for the rest of her life she has no use of her arms and legs
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ALWAYS follow the instructions and weight limits for car seats. They have been tested for the weight limits for a crash. If the child is heavier than what is the limit of your car seat then the car seat could possibly not perform how it is meant too in a high/low impact car crash.
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