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    Posted: 11 June 2011 at 11:40pm
Branching off from another thread, I am interested to hear what expectations you have on you as a mother ie. from our culture/society, from family members, peers, partners or from yourself?

What do you tell yourself you "should" be able to do as a mother?

I am interested to know because I write a newsletter that goes out to mothers with post-natal depression and this is the topic I'd like to write on this month. I think it's really interesting as I DO think it can contribute to PND and stop women from getting the help they need because they feel guilty or ashamed about getting help.

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Take it day by day. Step by step. Meet all her needs. That's all. I don't try to be anything I'm not or do anything I can't. Sure we try new things but I try not to set my expectations too high. I am fairly open minded and I think that helps things. PND was something I worried about before the birth as I suffered depression as a teenager but narrowly avoided PND and I am pretty sure keeping an open mind to what's out there and not expecting too much from my DD like her sleeping, eating, etc has helped. I trust my instincts a lot and I am confident with my decisions too which is a big thing for me.

I was bought up by my half Tongan (but raised in Fiji) Grandma and my Kiwi Grandfather as well as my mum so had lots of influences and quite a cool upbringing but it was very different from my DPs so we don't always see eye to eye on things and he sometimes may have slightly different expectations on parenting but he trusts me 90% of the time and we sometimes try things he suggests. But the way I was bought up has influenced my parenting and also my expectations as well.

None of my friends my age (20) really have babies so can't really comment on my peers but those that do - we parent quite differently in some aspects but not all.

Imo all you can do is try your best and that should be your only expectation. Try your best.
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I'm very lucky in that there were never any expectations put on me. Apart from having a girl 25 years after I was born lol.

My mother quietly helped, never forced her opinion on me, I had a very supportive & non judgemental plunket nurse. In-laws so far away that they don't count.

So I just got on with it.

I breastfeed cause I didn't think that there was any other way of doing it, I'm not sure what would have happened if I couldn't, when I couldn't express for the work day feeds I just gave her caregiver formula. There was never any discussion about it.

I cloth nappied with flats & covers for a period of time. I did get one person saying wonder how long you'll keep that up but it was until work life balance became to hard, she was an internet friend so it didn't make much impact on my choice.

My only peers were my coffee group & I don't' recall any pressure from them.

The only pressure I did feel was that I was supposed to go back to work at 3 months, before her birth I was happy with that but when it came to finding a place when she was 6 weeks old it was awful so I reassessed & got an extra couple of months, gave me enough time to get my head around it.

It was more financial pressure that got to me, I remember seeing the petrol prices rising & I'd start crying, I remember a screaming child in the back seat & I thought of how easy it would be to drive into a tree. I worked with my DH to solve the financial thing by adjusting some of our finances, as she grew the crying part stopped so those feelings went away, I can't think of specific how else I got out of it, I didn't talk to people about it til much later on. It also helped my carer moved & she was closer to my home.

These days I'm more resigned to the financial difficulties as my DH is now a builder & the work situation sucks so I don't get so wound up about it.
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I had  alot of pressure put on me from my In-laws (mainly MIL and SIL) they would try to go through DH who would then 'suggest' different ways when I wanted to do it another way.

I had comments like 'we wont look after her until a bottle is involved' (as I was breastfeeding) and when MIL would ring up the first thing she would ask every time is 'is she sleeping through yet?" even when she was weeks old all the way through until a year old...grrrrrr!

This pregnancy I am alot stronger and will be putting MY family first and ignoring MIL and her comments and if she has a problem tough!

Apart from that no other pressure sometimes in coffee group when DD was not sleeping through and ALLLLL the other babies were...


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as an expectant mother I have days when others expectations just drift off me and I don't let them bother me, other days (the more hormonal ones) I get really sensitive about it

not sure why people feel the need to tell other what they should and shouldn't be doing - my family have been amazing and even though it must be killing my mother they are embracing all my decisions and not expecting me to do anything except what I will feel is necessary or right for me and baby

other people - not so shy in their expectations - maybe it's because I am training to be an early childhood teacher or because I am an older first time mum or because I will be a single mum but people feel the need to criticize or tell me what I should be doing all the time

for example when I decided to have an amnio I was called uncaring of my baby and why should I force something so invasive on my child - personally I had my reasons, I was deemed higher risk and I was doing it for my baby not against her

and I won't even begin to discuss baby carrying and breastfeeding and sleeping routines - have had so much 'advice' on that I'm almost ready to slap the next person who tells me I have to do what they want me to do

will be interesting to see how I feel about expectations when baby is here and is a few months old

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Most of the expectations of Motherhood are what I put on myself.
I have a happy little baby girl who is growing and developing rapidly, who is clothed, fed and well loved.

Means I must be doing a good job with her.

choco I'm with you on the baby carrying/bf/sleeping routines by the time you've listened to all the advice they all end up contradicting each other and you'd go nowhere. Not one of them is you or your baby - whom despite best efforts on the contrary are all different.

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I think my main expectations I put on myself - and most of them were very unrealistic! I had always intended on being a stay home mum and had the `ideal' that I would be in my mind. As someone who had trained as a chef, my child was never going to have processed foods, but now some days I have to accept that the only thing she is going to eat is potato sticks.
I love my coffee group and they never put pressure or expectations on me as such, but at the beginning I felt awkward going along as they all seemed to be handling every thing so well and my baby had reflux and colic and I had a nightmare starting breastfeeding. As soon as she got into full on cry at CG I would just leave.

I agree that it is a huge cause of PND and changing my perceptions on who I want to be as a mum is helping me with my pre-natal depression.
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I agree - the main expectations on me are ones that I either put on myself, or assume (possibly incorrectly!) that others have.

I like to have a clean house, and with a bublet, don't manage it as much as I'd like. It gets me down... but on the other hand, I try and stay chilled about it. In the long run, it's just not that important.

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For me it was other people putting expectations or opinions on me. My DH and mother were amazing and supportive, but so many other people like inlaws, friends, friends of friends insisted on telling me I was doing things wrong. One woman grabbed DD off me when she was a couple of weeks old and tried showing me how to burp her properly, for one this woman doesn't have kids and two there wasn't an issue with burping. Being told that she needs to be given a bottle by some, bf by others, she was too hot and I dressed her too warm, I should have had her in her own room from the beginning, it was all this crap that made me feel inadequate as a mother. I'm much stronger now and if I ever have another I will definitely tell people where to go if they tried that again.





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We were at a family gathering and my own Mother said "Oh, all my children were sleeping through the night by now" (DS was about 6 months old). DH told me that the whole time she was saying it, she was winking at a friend. How awful is that?! Surely she must have an idea of the pressure new mum's feel and I think from then on, I just did whatever I felt like.
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The main pressure i get is to do the housework more than I do, especially from my MIL.

Other than that I've Breastfed my child as I wanted to with noone naysaying it and the one older person who asked me when I was putting her on the bottle, I kindly explained she was far too young to be weaned off...
She slept through early on but I quite a few people do ask about it when you have a young baby. I used to just say she was a good feeder and sleeper (which for the age she was she WAS) even if the sleep was only 4 hours at a time lol.
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I think the pressure was probably from me. Then me worrying how people perceived me and my not coping.

Though I must say, older DD's teacher was really judgmental of me and said some horrible things about my mothering towards her and my bond with her. That really hurt me.

I had expected it all to be easy and fall into place. I thought, because younger DD was my 2nd child, it would be easy and all would be sweet as. Um, no! I was so wrong! 6 yrs is a huge gap and you don't remember it all from first child with a 6 yr gap! Plus older child started being very badly behaved and new baby was very spilly. I did develop PND very severely. It is very different, having 1st child as a single mum and then having 2nd child with a partner and older child. So much more to contend with, so much more expected of you. It was a big shock to the system that things weren't just easy peesy. I am doing much better now though

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I think that I should be able to keep a clean house and have a good nutritious dinner on the table each night, this doesn't happen all the time and I feel guilty about it. I think its because I'm not earning that I feel like I need to do something for my dh so I am "worthy" of being able to stay home while he has to work.
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I think that my main problems were failing to meet my own expectations of myself as a mother... for one, I fully intended to go back to work full time when DD was 1, and then realised it wasn't for me, took me a while to get over 'abandoning my career' even though I knew it was the right thing.

I also expected to have so much time to have a wonderfully tidy house, be able to exercise every day, cook lovely meals for my family and play with my baby... Okay so maybe I was a tad naive, but I did struggle with the realisation that it just wasn't/isn't possible for me to have that perfect tidy house, to exercise every day (I'm too damn tired and sleep deprived) and that cooking is a right horrible experience when you have a tired toddler or crying baby to deal with too!

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I think a big contributor to PND is the difference between expectations and reality. The expectations I faced we generated by me, read stuff about people being able give their baby expressed milk and have a day off, saw Mums getting back into sport with a newborn etc - this didn't happen for me and the disappointment was crushing.

I think also from the stuff I read i got the self expectation that to raise I well adjusted child I had to basically glue myself to her 24/7. Felt massive guilt when she went to her room for sleep so could get some too.

This time around I don't care what anyone else says well be doing what works for us, afterall in the end that's what I have had to do already and we have a beautiful happy girl, so I must be doing somethign right.
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All the expectations have been ones I put on myself. I let most of them go and generally feel like a good mum (most days) BUT the big ones I do occasionally struggle with is the work/baby/household task balance oh and how I feel about being financially dependent on someone else.

Because I was suddenly financially dependent (first time every in my life) on my boyfriend I initially felt I should do everything around the house and not feel frazzled by anything because I was 'home all day'. I didn't want to be that mother that hands the baby over to their dad the moment he walked in the door so if I do do that always feel a little guilty about it.

Now I'm working part time I still sort of feel that since I 'have the time' I should be the one doing all the running around and organising for the house and my daughter. Although in reality this is rubbish because I often end up working in the evenings when my daughter has gone to bed to try and catch up.

Luckily neither my boyfriend or our families have put any pressure on me about anything, but again, if I'm having a bad day I automatically start thinking...'they must think I'm so lazy not being able to do all these things'.

I haven't had any trouble with PND, but I have had depression in the past. And I KNOW that if I was in a remotely dark spot that the above issues would totally grind down my self esteem and self image as a mother.
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Originally posted by JoJames JoJames wrote:

I think that I should be able to keep a clean house and have a good nutritious dinner on the table each night, this doesn't happen all the time and I feel guilty about it. I think its because I'm not earning that I feel like I need to do something for my dh so I am "worthy" of being able to stay home while he has to work.



Exactly what I would have said!!! DH will thank me for doing something and I will reply "well I don't have a real job so I better earn my keep".

First time round I expected and it was expected of me that I would breast feed my baby. The fact that I couldn't, put me into such a funk. I was in so much physical and emotional pain that when DD cried for another feed I thought about putting a pillow over her face so I wouldn't have to put her to the breast. However, because of the pressure I received from MWs, mum, and myself I could see no alternative to BFing. Thankfully one midwife snapped me out of it by telling me it was ok to bottle feed.

There is a huge pressure to BF and I feel this is sometimes dangerous for the mental health of new mums.

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I agree Littlechop - bfing was the biggest pressure I had to deal with. Knowing all the benefits of bfing, but being in such agony that tears would be streaming down my face while feeding her. The relief when I finally decided to give up and ff is indescribable. But it really annoys me that on every tin of formula, amd even the MoH pamphlet on ff, there is a 'breast is best' warning ... just in case I wasn't already feeling guilty enough!
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I had a thought now that I'm working a bit and considering putting the kids into childcare.
I fully expected that I would be a SAHM and would enjoy it and be happy that my kids didn't have to go into care. But you know what? I love going to work and getting some time out from the kids, its amazing. I really don't think I'm cut out to be a full-time SAHM. I definately feel guilty about this.
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Snap JoJames. I work part time and love it. And feel bad in some circles for admitting that. I am not sure how much of that is my own paranoia - some people have strong views though, especially my DH's family. But I am going to say it here - I LOVE my job! It makes me feel really good about myself - and surely that makes me a better mother?.

There has been lots of pressure to breastfeed from most quarters and I suppose I also had an expectation that I would be able to keep my house tidy, but its just not happening for me and I must admit it can be a little socially isolating as I don't really like having people visit - I find it really stressful to run around cleaning.
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