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    Posted: 15 April 2011 at 12:51pm
Hi all, my son is 13 months old and usually wakes up once per night, has a change and a bottle and goes back to sleep without any problems.

However, I was speaking to someone recently who was genuinely surprised at this and mentioned that I should employ a tough love approach and stop giving him the bottle mid way through the night. They suggested that I go in and comfort him after 10 minutes of grizzling and so on. I don't think this would go down well with him (naturally) and I think it would really bother me. I know that the mid-night bottle will finish at some time, but I really would prefer it to be a natural transition rather than me forcing the issue.

Is this wishful thinking or do I need to be more proactive???

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Pfft .. if you were ok with how it was going, what does it matter what someone else says is "normal".

I'd prefer just to give them the bottle, change and go back to bed instead of fart arsing around at stupid o'clock with an upset child.
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What lilfatty said! If you are happy with how things are, why change? My only concern would be whether the night time bottle is affecting his eating during the day but if his eating is fine, then I would do what works for you.
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if you want it to be a natural progression then decrease the amount in the bottle by 30 ml every second night.

He might gradually start eating more during the day which would be better digestively speaking than guzzling a bottle of milk in the middle of the night.

In a years time, do you still want to be giving a bottle? How about in six months? You are reinforcing it, so if you do not think it is going to be something you *want* for your child, then maybe you could think about how you might move along the path to changing the habit.

With no bottle in the middle of the night, there would not need to be a nappy change either, and the two of you might enjoy sleeping more than being awake?

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My 14 month old also still wakes once a night i think its pretty normal, the only people i know (mostly) that have babies leeping through are people who have done the cry it out approach or controlled crying my first DD started sleeping through at 16 months and at almost 3 is a fantastic sleeper so im just happy to wait until she is ready - we have had the odd might of sleeping through so i dont think it is far away now,.

if you dont see it as a problem then dont worry about it


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Isn't it frustrating how there's always some 'better' way to raise the kidlets? I reckon if you're happy, just keep going the way it suits you.

Chances are that yes, he could do without his bottle if you really hated getting up and wanted to change things. But if you want him to drop it himself, and are happy to keep giving it to him, do it your way! It's not going to do any harm at all or anything

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DS woke in the night on and off until about 15 months - still sometimes does at 20 months but that's usually only if he's sick. We did the bottle and he slept through in his own time. To be honest, I couldn't deal with the fight at night and would rather just be up and down quickly and have everyone happy that the fight (and DS would have fought!!!) Now if he wakes in the night he very rarely has a bottle. We didn't change anything to get him to sleep through, I think it was just time.
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Originally posted by maya22 maya22 wrote:



In a years time, do you still want to be giving a bottle? How about in six months? You are reinforcing it, so if you do not think it is going to be something you *want* for your child, then maybe you could think about how you might move along the path to changing the habit.


Id find it HIGHLY unlikely that the child is going to wake for a bottle of milk and a nappy change forever .. by the time they are toddlers they arent even in nappies anymore
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I dunno, DS1 was in a night nappy until 3 years 6 months, and that is reasonably quick tting at night

If the OP doesn't want to be giving a bottle at night, then there are many options that don't involve leaving to grizzle/cry/scream for 10 min. In our case, dropping the volume in the bottle by 30 ml every second night worked really well, and it is worth considering, if the OP is interested.

Of course the OP may like to change a nappy in the night? But it is somthing that would be waking the toddler up more in the night which could be avoided in many (most?) cases by dropping the volume of milk in the night.
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My DS has always been a shocking sleeper, and once a night would be a good night! :-) I ONLY night weaned when he was about 11 months because boobie stopped putting him back to sleep. I would happily have carried it on otherwise! So I agree with the others, if you are happy, carry on. I believe they will sleep through of their own accord, and do not believe in CC or CIO, so hopefully my DS will prove me right at some stage :-)
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If you are happy with doing it then don't worry about it. Personally i couldn't handle still getting up in the night at that point but if it aint broke for you then don't fix it.   

BTW lots of babies do sleep through on their own - DS1 at 12 weeks, lots of babies in our baby group did at around that age too and my sil's DD3 at 7 weeks!!! Was so jealous of that.

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Update: I thought that the longer a nappy is on a child the more likely nappy rash is, that's why I always change him when I give him the bottle, keep going ladies you're really helping!

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If it isn't a problem for you or your child then just leave it alone :)

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So toddlers generally sleep through eventually of their own accord?

I guess I don't really want to be still waking up in the middle of the night when he's say, two, but if he's likely to drop the bottle himself in the next few months I'll probably just leave it.

However, if he's likely to be perfectly happy having a bottle indefinitely then I'm going to have to do something about it.

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Remember the saying - "Don't fix what ain't broke".

My son is 15months and still wakes anywhere from 3-8 times a night, but a quick breastfeed and/or cuddle aways fixes it and he's soon back fast asleep. Personally this is much easier and far less stressful for both me and him than employing some 'sleep training' method.
Like someone else mentioned, I believe babies learn to sleep on their own accord. They won't be waking in the night for milk forever, so if you're happy with it, why change?
 
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Originally posted by Sharlene28 Sharlene28 wrote:

So toddlers generally sleep through eventually of their own accord?


Not all.... and you can't know in advance when. But maybe in a few months it might matter more to you whereas now it doesn't sound like it does
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my 14 month old still does wake though its once now..and i feed him as well..he 100% isn't hungry it's just habit..i prefer to do it naturally too I have decided i just dont have the energy for any other way!:) and the bottle way is 9mins up and back to bed:) unless teething.. we dont change in middle of night anymore..that took 13.5 months though:) I am different in that I really am over it( i do them all and with no sleep since i got preg it's grating on me now! ) i certainly did not expect to with him ..my first son wasn't even having bottles at this age lol

but if you are happy i say stay with it:) all good! about half the kids i know his age sleep through and half don't ...
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Originally posted by Sharlene28 Sharlene28 wrote:

Update: I thought that the longer a nappy is on a child the more likely nappy rash is, that's why I always change him when I give him the bottle, keep going ladies you're really helping!


Is he in MCN or sposies? Sposies are designed to last the night I've not changed DD overnight since she was 8 weeks old unless she did #2's. Huggies will hold up to 12 hours of pee and we've never had a problem with nappy rash.
It's made feeding her in the night a lot quicker and easier

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote escadachic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 April 2011 at 4:28pm
I'm on the fence regarding this subject.

I personally don't like having to go downstairs while half asleep to get a bottle.

What I do, is give her a chance to self-settle and if it seems like she's not going to, I'll go in and cuddle her back to sleep. If she's teething and needs some pain relief, I'll give her some and as a last resort, if all that doesn't work, I'll give her a bottle.

And yes, huggies and even treasures are good for overnight sleeps, with no need to change. I can't remember if your boy wears MCN's or disposables at night.


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I don't change DD overnight unless she poos as well. We are in Sposies and for us personally only the Woolworths Select ones work atm.

I agree with LF and if it isn't bothering you then where's the issue? That's just their opinion imo.
I also agree that they will break the habbit when they are ready. It won't last forever...

My 14mo still wakes about 4+ times a night! But for me personally I find it much easier to just give her a quick 5 min breast feed and then back to bed rather than being up for a few nights in a row for hours on end with a baby who is upset and won't sleep by the sudden confusion of the sudden change and then is grumpy the next day as a result... Just my 2c worth.

If it is bothering you then there are things you can do but if it isn't bothering you then don't worry too much about it, they will wean from it when they are ready.
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