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    Posted: 04 February 2011 at 8:16pm
My DD is almost 20mo now, and has now twice, to my horror, bullied another child in the last two weeks The first time I was so shocked, as she is such a gentle wee soul, the worst she has done in the past is give someone such a big hug that they've both fallen over. The second time I was shocked again, and I couldn't figure out why she was doing what she was doing, until another little girl, over a year older than DD, came over, watched what we were doing for a minute, then simply pushed my DD over right in front of me for no apparent reason. This was just after my DD had pushed over a younger baby, and it all became clear to me.

Intentional aggression has not been on DDs radar, it is not in her personality to be physically agressive (vocally agressive, yes!), and I believe that this little girl who pushed my DD over today is modelling this behvaiour and that is where she is getting it from. After that happened I realised the first time DD was aggressive was also when this little girl was present, so it all clicked into place (or maybe I am looking for someone to blame!).

I am now totally stumped on what to do, as we see this little girl pretty frequently. The biggest problem, in my opinion, is that her mother appears to be oblivious to it. When she does see her daughter bullying other kids, she does come and tell her off, but very meekly and, imo, not very effectively (though I am stumped on how to discipline a bully!). The rest of the time she doesn't see it (maybe she doesn't want to know!).

It is interesting to me, as we also hang out with another girl the same age as my DD who is a bully too, but her mother is very aware and onto it, and always keeps a close eye on her daughter and disciplines her (age appropriately) when she lashes out. DD has never thought to copy this behaviour (we have been friends for a year now), so is it something to do with the fact that her aggression is reprimanded, or is she just at an age where she is going to start doing these things anyway??

So these are my questions.
What can I do to discourage my DD from being physically aggressive at her age?
What should I do when I see other children bullying DD, and their parents aren't aware?
Should I say something to this little girls mother about what I've observed, or just keep all their meetings very well supervised and not see her as often!?

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Is the pushing pre-empted by wanting that child's toy? Is it only done towards older/younger kids? Is it done to gain attention? These are big questions when it comes to pushing and shoving. A bit of aggression can be quite normal around 2yrs of age because the language skills are often behind the physical ability. It takes getting down and coaching on words and gentleness, to break the habit. Some bullying of younger kids is, on the other hand, often lashing out at the major attention-getters (babies, little ones) and needs nipping in the bud. I would talk to the other mother if you can. I've had a similar issue with another mother and didn't feel able to talk with her, so I left it and now hardly ever see her. But you can do it in a friendly way, even asking her what her strategy is "because I'm noticing the same in my DD and trying to figure out what to do..." and you could even try to figure out a strategy between yourselves for those two.

It really irritates me when bullying goes on under parents' noses and they don't take action. A lot of the victims' parents will talk to the offending child and ask them to say sorry or whatever but I don't like that at all. I'd rather take the kid to their parent or at least mention it to the parent. If my child was aggressive and I was there, I wouldn't want someone else deciding how to handle that without talking to me.
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I really struggle with the word bullying being used with a 20 month old.

Your daughter is too young to have clear communication skills, so she can't talk her way out of a situation, and she doesn't have the emotional maturity to recognise what is going on, she is only a toddler.

Just teach her the way you teach her about needing to hold hands when walking, about not touching the tv, about how to pick up her toys, anything like that.
So say to her what you want her to do, and model it for her, then redirect if necessary. She doesn't know yet how to share, how to take turns, any of the social graces, she is too little, but you can start teaching her. It is never to early to teach about 'gentle hands'.
If other children are being too rough with your child, then simply say to your child something to acknowledge what happened, and redirect or remove from the situation. No need to make a big drama out of it.
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I didn't see the whole situation unfold, but as far as I could see there was no motivation for either of the "attacks". They were both on younger babies (babies that could sit but not crawl, or only just starting to crawl), and both times, from what I remember, they were just sitting there and DD went up to them to talk to them. She usually just talks to them and squeals "baby!" and tries to give them a hug. The first time she had a toy in her hand, and the baby was sitting in front of her so she lifted the toy up and hit the baby in the head with it. The second time the baby was sitting there and she was talking to it, then pushed her over for no apparent reason.

I don't think it's an attention-seeking thing, it's almost like she's just doing it to see what happens. Which makes sense, in a developmental way, but I would really like to have some sort of strategy to deal with it when it happens again to discourage her from doing it and to eventually help her understand that it makes other children sad which is a bad thing.

Both times I have gone down to her to talk to her about what she did, but I'm just not sure what to say and find myself waffling on for a while about how that wasn't very nice and now the baby is sad so she should give them a kiss and say sorry. I want to make my point clear and concise, since she probably has a very short attention span so I need to say something effective in a short period of time before she loses interest...
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maya22, I was mostly referring to the older girl who is, from what I can see, intentionally being mean to my DD by hitting, shoving, taking toys from her etc. which to me is simply bullying, though she is only just three years old so I'm not sure what to expect from a child that age having never had one myself.
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We have had a very similiar situation at Playcentre. A 3 year old pushing, hitting and searing at the under twos. He doesn't do it kids is own age or older ones. Luckily he is way too scared of me to try and do anything to my DD! Thank goodness as my girl is a bit of softy and cries every time another kid gets hurt!

His Mum is ineffectual to say the least. But sadly i think there are family violence issues in the home and a general lack of life and parenting skills. (doesn't sound like this in your case tho.)

I was so concerned about it that I rang a friend who is a child behavioural expert for help. Her advice was to say to the parent, "I see that X can be a bit of a handful at times, and I was wondering what us other parents can do to help you with this". This recognised that the other might be actual be struggling and lets her know that you're aware of the behaviour, but in a helpful way that doesn't simply place blame.

I think a 3 year old should be expected to behave nicely. Certaintly in our case the kid knows he's done something wrong as he them runs away! I also think that other parents should let either child off it they are hitting or likewise.
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I had a friend whos daughter was 5 weeks older than ds so we would spend a lot of time together. The wee girl was very rough she would bite, hit, push and snatch on a very regular basis. My DS is quite mellow and sensitive and has neer been rough he's also a bit of a wuss and get very upset when other kids a rough with him. My friend would never discipline her daughter which became a big problem for me and other mothers who we would see regularly.

My theory with telling off other peoples kids is, leave it to their parents if they are around. However when she failed time and time again to do anything about it I felt that I needed to stick up for DS so I would say things like don't hit him it's unkind, or give it back to him he hasn't finished his turn. I know this pissed his mum off but DS is my priority and I was sick of seeing him get pushed around.

Unfortunately it all became too hard and i try not to spend time with this family any more. There are other mothers who are no longer on speaking terms with her. So not a great example

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Originally posted by millymollymandy millymollymandy wrote:


I think a 3 year old should be expected to behave nicely. .

Expected sure, but that doesn't always happen!

I have a 3 1/2 year old, he is not perfect, but a 3 year old, like any child, is a work in progress
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Originally posted by SoyBasedMama SoyBasedMama wrote:

but I'm just not sure what to say and find myself waffling on for a while about how that wasn't very nice and now the baby is sad so she should give them a kiss and say sorry. I want to make my point clear and concise, since she probably has a very short attention span so I need to say something effective in a short period of time before she loses interest...


How about - we don't hit our friends. You must use your gentle hands. Time for a hug and a kiss to say sorry. Now, what shall we do next.... how about we go and play with...

It is the same parenting as you would use in any other situation. Not rocket science.
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From someone that HAS had a 3 year old,by 3 they are old enough to know the nicer way to behave,but as all children are different, and all develop at a different pace,that doesn't always happen unfortunatly





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Originally posted by SoyBasedMama SoyBasedMama wrote:

I don't think it's an attention-seeking thing, it's almost like she's just doing it to see what happens. Which makes sense, in a developmental way, but I would really like to have some sort of strategy to deal with it when it happens again to discourage her from doing it...


What you said makes perfect sense and I think you've put your finger on it exactly. In those kinds of cases the best thing is to teach the child how to behave rather than how not to behave. So, she sees a young baby/child and wants to communicate interest in a physical way. I think the best thing forward there is to say "oh look, it's a baby/little girl/little boy! Let's touch her, really gentle..." and put your hand on your child's hand and stroke the head or hands together.
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