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    Posted: 01 January 2011 at 3:47pm
What are fees like with selling a house !nd what happens with the mortgage if the house sells for less than you owe? It's ob the market now as we have started a life in a new country and struggling with money too much to keep it as a rental and are trying to decide how much to let it go for. We have a figure for advertising already so just info on bank fees !nd lawyers would be great if the house sells for round 370k


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if your house sells for less than whats owing on the mortgage you have to keep paying it, or transfer it to a personal loan.

im not sure on how they charge fee's. id imagine its something like a % of total value.

and for lawyer fees for selling have you considered the Home Transfer Centre they have set prices and may be cheaper than your lawyer and they do it all for you over the phone
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The fees arent a huge amount. We just sold our house privatley, and were on a fixed term so no penalty fees there but I think we have to pay $100 for something. Lawyer is about $2K, I think if its just a straightforward sale?

If you dont get back as much as the mortgage is, I guess you would just have to transfer it to a personal loan like Mucky_Tiger said.

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The personal loan was what I was thinking but how does that work if we aren't eligable for a personal loan?


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Hi Monikah

You need to get good lawyer and it depends on your bank. If you know for sure that your mortgage will exceed the selling price then generally we advise people to go to the bank explain the situation and see if you can get approval for a personal loan for the shortfall of the loan prior to entering into any agreement to sell the property - if this is not an option or unsuccessful and it is evident that its either sell now or otherwise head towards mortgagee sale if an offer comes in get it sent to your lawyer prior to you signing and have a clause inserted that the agreement is conditional for about a week on you obtaining banks consent to the sale then your lawyer needs to negotiate with the bank to basically accept the net sale proceeds from the sale as full satisfaction of the mortgage. I advise people not to warn the agent of the issue until after an offer has been presented unless the agent is already well aware of your situation.

If you don't get the banks agreement first it can be a nightmare on settlement where basically the bank will refuse to discharge the mortgage so you will be liable to the purchaser for not being able to settle and on top of this the agent is still entitled to their commission. I have had this happen to client luckily for him after about a week afer settlement was due we managed to negotiate something with the bank and complete settlement with his purchaser - all of which could have been avoided if he had told us right from the beginning of his situation.


Now for the disclaimer.... this is just general advice on the onfo provided and should not be relied on please see your lawyer for legal advice.

Also this is just a quick summary of how it can be dealt with there could be other options available and like I have said it will depend on the amount of the shortfall, your bank and the negotiating ability of your lawyer as to whether the bank will agree to releasing their discharge of mortgage without payment of the mortgage in full.


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be really careful on switching to a personal loan if the wont accept the house sale in full satisfaction. the percentage rate is often over 17%, so very close to credit card rates and you may find it harder to pay that off as repayments are high. i.e. we borrowed $5500 from bank on personal loan and our repayments were $300 per month.
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I have the same problem at the moment (well similar - my ex is refusing to pay his share of the mortgage and I need to sell the house but its worth less than the mortgage). I went and talked to the bank and they have pretty much pre approved me for a personal loan for $40k so that if the house sold and there was debt left over then it would be converted to a personal loan up to that amount. If I get an offer I need to take it to them and ask if they will approve the sale basically.The bank have advised me that if I had an offer that meant the debt would be higher than $40k then they will not approve the sale of the house. My bank manager told me that my only way around that was to default on the payments and force them in to mortgagee sale.

One of the problems with this is that the personal loan is at an interest rate of 16.5% and over quite a short term (10 years I think they said) so the payments are quite high.

I have heard some banks are a bit more flexible than mine so you probably should talk to them and find out what the options are before you make any decisions. I spent weeks talking various scenerios through with the bank and they were very helpful even if I didn't get the answers I wanted. I think they prefer people to talk to them about this stuff first before any decisions are made.
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Get in touch with a reputable Mortgage Broker. You will have to have a signed and active Listing Agreement from a real estate company, and by law you will also receive from the Sales Consultant an appraisal of your property, and an expected price range, all in writing. This is a legal requirement under the REAA 2008 Act.

Your Broker will then present this Listing Agreement to your current bank who will tailor a debt repayment scheme especially for you IF you don't manage to sell the property for enough to cover the mortgage. You will also have disclosed to you the amount you will have to pay to break the mortgage.

IF your current bank won't play the game, then the Broker will find a bank who will. For eg, if you are with ANZ, and BNZ will take you on, BNZ will pay $500 towards your legal fees to transfer the mortgage over, and then tailor everything else to your needs. You will likely be advised to go onto a Floating Mortgage because you are intending to sell. A Fixed Mortgage won't make any sense at all and I would be surprised (and would question!) if any bank would make that suggestion to you.

I work for one of the biggest Real Estate companies in Australasia so my advice is current and correct - providing you are of good worth and credit then things should be plain sailing. However, if you have glitches in your credit history, don't be dismayed, because at the end of the day the banks DO want your business, because they DO make money out of you one way or another!

Mortgage Brokers are free - they get paid by the banks - so it's well worth seeking their advice. I can recommend many to you, but I don't know what area you are in, and you can shop around for the best MB - for eg what suits you might not suit someone else, and what one tells you might be totally surpassed by someone else's far better ideas!

Best of luck!
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Oh, and as for fees from real estate companies?

Usually around 4% for the first $300,000, and 2% for anything thereafter. So, if your house sold for $395,000, you would pay 4% on the first $300,000, and 2% on $95,000. Plus $500 for administration (most companies give you $500 worth of free advertising to start with so that's where that fee comes in).

DO ask your Sales Consultant for a marketing package quote. For example, you might pay an additional $650 for a hard-out marketing hit for the first month or so. This is really really important and should always be considered, because the marketing must be ferocious in the first 3 weeks due to that being the time-frame of strong interest in a newly listed property (this is statistically proven). So if you can hard-hit that advertising with big colourful advertising in The Blue Book, The Realtor, The Property Press, local newspapers, then your property will stand out.

The other thought I have for you because you are wanting to sell in a hurry, is Auction. Auction creates urgency amongst buyers and a property CAN sell prior. This gives you a final date, the purchaser gets a 'start date', and you can all move on. IF for some reason your property doesn't sell at Auction, statistically they do sell soon after.

Auctions incur extra fees to cover the Auctioneer and the vigorous marketing - because the marketing is short-lived and has to attract that audience you desperately need to sell the property - so bear that in mind as well

A good real estate consultant should certainly talk you through all of these options. Make sure your agent is not over-booked with properties for sale, and don't be afraid to ask for their portfolio or references either. Remember, they work for YOU so make sure you are getting the right person for the job. If they don't feel right, don't sign up with them, there are many others to pick from, and as the market is a little bit slow at the moment I can guarantee that a good consultant will work their butts off for you - they only get paid when your property sells!
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Originally posted by monikah monikah wrote:

are trying to decide how much to let it go for.


All great advice from the others posting here.

My advice would be to ensure yu ealise that the market will decide what the house will sel for - regadless of what you would 'like' to let it go for.
To get a realistic feel for what the market is willing to pay (you wont sell for more than what someone wants to buy it for), consider getting an offical MV. Your bank may want this done anyway so they know what possible deficit there will be if the MV is less than your loan.

Good luck wth it all
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MaeBeeBaby Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 January 2011 at 9:32pm
Absolutely correct minxynzl - and do bear in mind that a real estate consultant will likely price it a bit higher than your MV (I know it as RV - 'registered valuation' - I had to think what MV was for a minute! - 'market valuation' I assume). An MV/RV will cost YOU as the property owner (from memory around $300-$600).

Approx 18 months ago we had a property that got an RV of $385,000 and we sold it for $350,000... like minxynzl says, the market will dictate your property's worth, not the RV/MV or the sales consultant. They are only mere indications in these times unfortunately.

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Yea, get in touch with your bank right away. Usually they would prefer that you make arrangements with them to pay off the balance of the mortgage than for them to have to sell by mortgagee auction. After the property boom a few years ago, a lot of people are in the same boat as you and your bank manager can talk you through it.

Whatever happens, you will be liable for the real estate fees - which you can get quoted/estimated for but check what other costs you will need to pay, e.g. advertising - and also lawyer's fees usually between $1000 and $2000 depending on where you live and any complications. You can call around for quotes (incl GST and disbursements). If there's anything else you were hoping/needing to pay out of the sale proceeds, e.g. moving costs, you should put a list together and take that to your bank when you meet with the consultant there.

It's not always correct to assume that the balance of the mortgage will jump to a high interest rate. That is something you should also talk about with your bank.

Hope that helps
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