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    Posted: 28 November 2010 at 9:30am
DS is 15months

We are desperate to start trying for number two in the new year..

my question is... in these economic times, gst rises, daycare costs, food prices, mortage payments how on earth do families afford to have a second/third child ??

All my weekly income goes on the household bills, power, daycare, rates etc

DH pays the mortage and food.

We live from pay to pay and can not see how it is possible to have another baby while on the one income. We are both earning good money prob about $1500 week and still theres barely anything left ..

(i have heard of up to 3 months mortage no payment holidays and will ask my bank about this)

Help, Ideas and strategies to make our dreams of another baby come true.



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Well one way we intend on affording our second is by using cloth nappies (which we do with our first) and merely recycling them onto the 2nd (3rd etc),

Depending on how big your mortgage is (atm we don't have one so not something I'm that qualified to comment on) maybe see if you can make smaller payments for a little while when you are at home with the kiddies.

Have a look through some of the budget info on here for food, you may be able to cut down a lot on that bill, have a look at power/phone/internet etc, are you getting the best deal? Do you use everything you pay for?

Would it be cheaper for you to stay at home with the kiddies till they are 2 or 3 and can get subsidised daycare? How long do you want to stay home with the new baby?

Do you qualify for family tax credits and/or working for families? Accomodation supplement etc.

Just some things to ask yourself and find out about. 2nd time babies aren't that expensive largely because you have everything from the first time round, the only thing you will really need is another carseat and its easy enough to hire one. (Maybe some clothes if you have a different gender to the first one)
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I don't know how I am going to manage either as I will be living on the DPB with two littlies. But I just figure that I am going to have to make it work one or another.

I am going to be using cloth nappies this time as well since I don't want to have to buy two different size nappies.

The only advice I can give is to just look at all your expenses and see where you can cut back and if there is anything you can do without.

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I saved a lot of clothes from my first daughter, and lucky for me we had a second girl or a boy would have been wearing a lot of pink and purple!

We also use cloth nappies, I breastfeed and use very little pre-made food (I did a bit of both for a while, finger food and jarred, but it is expensive!), and meal plan / shop to a strict list.

I'll also be a SAHM at least until my first daughter starts school, I went back to work for a while in between, and we found home based care a bit more affordable than a bigger centre.

You just have to really sit down and nut out what you can cut back on, for example we did splurge on a coffee machine a while back - but only because we worked out what we were spending on takeaway coffees from shops and knew that in time it would pay itself off and *then* start saving us money.


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$1500 is quite a lot, I presume you have quite high mortgage payments, in which case an option is always to downsize your house or refinance your mortgage back to 30 years (if you'd had it for a while)....

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we cut back on everything. I breastfed, and make all his food, he wears hand me downs from his brother and cousins e.t.c. We don't buy many toys we go the library and toy library and borrow.

We didn't buy much new stuff as we had everything form number one. It is tricky but doable.
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I reckon if you're sensible you always just make do with what you have. I remember being a student being on student allowance with a few hrs paid work. It couldn't have been more than $250/wk but somehow I survived.
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We are expecting our second child and we will just make do with what we have. Obviously if it's a girl we will buy some extra clothing for going out (at home she can wear a lot of DS's things ) and I will be doing my darndest to BF this time round though not only for financial reasons. I also got into making our own solids a bit late and I'll be doing it earlier this time round, I can't believe how much cheaper it is to make your own!

I agree with IsaacsMum in that you just make do because you have to!


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its not the day to day living i stress out about..

We already use cloth and stick to a budget etc.

Its more so the going to one income.

Ideally i would love 12 months at hm with number two but think it will be more like 6 months at most.

In the meantime we are going to try and save save save every penny and have a little saved for when im off work.

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But going to one income would surely mean that you are at home (so no need for child care - one big expense gone) and hopefully you would also become eligible for working for families (the limit is higher with two children than one)

IME you live on what you have. When we were a double income no child family we were very well off and spent every cent (on who knows what cause we don't have ANYTHING flash) and now we are down to one income about to become two children and are just as well off as we have always been. We don't have the same disposable income but we are much more careful about what we do have.
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I definatly believe on you live on what you have. We have 5 children and im a full-time SAHM and DP earns ok money but we still have left overs for fun days out with the kids. I also dont use cloth and cant breastfeed so i have to buy formula. You just have to learn how to manage your money. Make lists of your outgoing money and see where it is really going, you'd probably be surprised. I always make a list of my bills that need to be paid and we have a savings account which money going into every fortnight for rates and school fees (Catholic school isnt cheap) and any unexpected bills.

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So is that both earning $1500 a week, or a combined income of $1500 a week? If you're both earning that, and are going to go down to $1500 a week total, it should either be easy or you have one hell of a mortgage! I reckon going down to $750 a week would still be doable, although it depends what your mortgage payments are...

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It's about priorities ultimately, isn't it? If you want it bad enough, you'll find a way to make it happen. DH and I have thought long and hard about purchasing a bigger, better property (with an accompanying hefty mortgage) and have decided against it on the basis that it would really restrict our options of me staying home and our spare time and things, and right now, that's more important to us. I do work, but only because I want to. We've been careful to maintain a financial position where I have the choice.

So I figure if you want it bad enough, you'll make the necessary changes to allow it to happen. Do you want to be able to stay home more than you want the house you are living in, or would you downgrade to allow you to stay home longer?
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Can be a bit stressful sometimes, this money lark. Last year we had DD and only maternity pay, WFF, Student Allowance, family loans and savings to live off as DH was studying, lived on $500 a week. Didn't qualify of for any other assistance as he had a job starting Feb. Very stressful!

We downsized our house, by selling up and taking a cheap rental. I miss my lovely house sometimes, but don't miss the stress of payign for it and I know that when we are both working, i'll appreciate the money so much more. And the rental is in some ways more practical for toddlers anyway.

You can do stuff like interest only too, which does buy time. There's also citizen's advice budgeting people, who are great too for advice and creative thinking.

As you know, stuff for kids to do is not expensive and there's heaps of free things to do too. Some how you just get by.
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I dont have a second yet but am planning to have another in a year or so. But i think in general you make do on what you;ve got. So 1500 a week at the moment is what you live off. However if you had to you could live off less.

Check your power (could you be saving by turnign of hot water cylinder during the day, doing cold washes etc.how do you heat your house??O) INt/phone bill do you really need 10 or gig?? Do you have sky tv?? Do you need it??

But as far as baby 2 goes. you don't need much as you have it all from baby 1. You've already got the stroller, cot, carseat, toys etc. Clothes you can reuse. Lots of people hand on there babies clothes as they grow so you don't have to buy (just inherit).

Childcare (is it essential) but i do believe it gets cheaper the more children you have in care.

I really don''t think it is much more expensive to live with another baby as you already have everything you need. Things will be tight but it's possible..
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Just a comment on day care. I'm in central wellington, day care for under 2's is hard to find. The govt subsidy doesn't kick in till they're 3. I've been told that if I take DS out of day care while I'm at home with #2 there's no guarantee I'll get his place back when I have to go back to work.
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Hi

I found this site really good http://www.consumer.org.nz/powerswitch

It tells you if you're using the best power and gas suppliers for your current situation.

Good luck, you'll be fine.



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I didn't have much of a choice, cos I got two for the price of one, but you really do manage.

I'm a single mum of two, I work part-time and get a DPB topup, and I still manage to make it work, with a bit of play money as well. I don't go out a lot to socialise except with friends at their house (I do still treat myself to the odd "real" coffee lol), I moved out of town (not much - 15 mins drive) for cheaper rent, I'm pretty careful with my power/phone and have a strict budget for groceries. I use disposables, and the girls are on formula. They also grow like weeds, and unlike most people who have #2, I don't have any hand me downs!!!

After my novel...basically what I'm trying to say is, somehow it works out, you just adjust your priorities to suit your budget.
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