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    Posted: 08 September 2010 at 4:16pm
So Ive had quite a few issues (masitis, supply, nursing strike etc) BFing lately, and atm DD still wont properly BF (ie she pulls off and wont feed or the max shes fed for lately is 3 mins and then wont go back on), and I am no where near ready to give up bfing, I hope that once DD starts on solids it might take some of the pressure off BFing, so what Im wanting to know is, how long after starting solids did the BF reduce?
Im trying to hold out till then as it will get easier at that point (well thats what Im telling myself anyway!)


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I'm no help yet with your actual question as we have barely even started solids.
But just wondering, maybe she has just gotten quicker/better at extracting the Breastmilk she needs, does she seem full after the 3 minutes?
I know that about that age K started feeding for way shorter but still being full.
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It would be a good idea to contact a lactation consultant or your local LLL. They will have ideas to help you. Ideally you still have 3 months of exclusive bf until she is the age that the World Health Organisation recommend commencing solids.
The pulling off and short feeding were things my reflux baby did. Is she full after a feed? How long does she go til the next feed? Is she settled between feeds?
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Thanks Kelimirella, but shes always been an efficient feeder, only needing one side and a complete feed lasting less than 10 mins. She doesnt appear full after her 3 mins (if she makes it that long) she will pull off but want to go back on but pull off immediately. we can do trhat 10 times and still get no where or she will start getting distressed before then.

Kellz, Ive talked to a LC and LLL and neither can help. Im going to try another LC tomorrow but not holding my breath. Im not planning on starting solids any time soon, but atm im expressing every 2 hours to get enough milk to bottle feed her since she wont take it from me, so I feel like i cant keep doing this for ever, but i know that eventually the demand for milk eases up and so if i can keep it up for another 4 months (or what ever it is) then it might just be possible if that makes sense?
Shes only full after ive topped her up, its not reflux as shes not in pain/spilling etc. she is settled so long as she has a full tummy.

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Seeing as you've seen a few LC and gotten some help you've probably tried this already but have you tired varyingthe positions you feed her in ? I have to go between rugby hold/cradle and a sitting up position , most recently he sits stradling my thigh and feeds

My daughter was the same and we ALWAYS had trouble feeding off one side

How is your supply ? Ds will pull off and on a few times once he's finished one side

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Lily still has normal feeds, well actually no. Hmm Before solids she would feed at (rough times) 7am, about 9.30am, 11.30am, 1.30pm, 4pm, 6.30pm, 10.30/11pm, 2am, 4am and then 7am.

She would feed for about 20mins one side then 20 mins the other side then got sick at 5 weeks and would only feed 10 mins per side per feed after that. And at 4 months when we changed to 1 side per awake time it's stayed 10mins.

Even now with solids she feeds for about 10 mins sometimes 15 (not sure why??) She also has from the start had about 2-3 meals per day being 1 jar or pottle of yoghurt (70g) as a feed.

Now she feeds about 6.30pm, 1.30am, (5am sometimes!! depending on if she resettles or not) about 7am or if she's woken at 5 it'll be 9-9.30am then it's about 11.30am, 2-2.30pm, 5pm... 6.30pm. As you can see a lot less! But she has solids in between usually about 8am and sometimes something about 2-3pm and something at 6.30 too depending on how tired she is after her bath.

Def recommend holding off as long as you can on the solids, she'll let you know when she is ready!

It sounds mega stressful! Is it an issue with let down at all? Or not coming out at the right speed for her hence liking the bottle?
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Yeah Lily pulls off and fusses a lot since starting solids and also is a bit spilly at times, MIL said it's being 'extra full' we now do the straddling position, saw Emmecat doing that at yours and thought we'd try it, or she likes to lay on my tummy and feed like she's having tummy time on me.
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Good on you that u already seen LC etc and trying to get help, and god on you for persisting with bf!

If she only feeding a few mins, and is on and off and wants to feed but keeps coming off,.....sound to me like she getting frustrated cos the milk not coming in quick enough for her liking! Aiden does this, but not all then time, and when he doe I have to hand express a bit to get the milk flowing , squirt it in his mouth to show him its there, and then he will relax and feed.
I had a friend who whose baby wasnt gaining enough wait, and a LC finally worked out that she had a slow letdown which was being caused by caffine- even tho she was only having 1 coffee a day. She stopped that, and never had a problem again, mlik came in quicker, baby was happier/fuller and gaining weight better!
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Have you tried expressing to get your letdown and then putting her to the breast?

I know you probably have but I still think its a letdown issue... Not that I am an expert but it just sounds sooo much like Jake's feeding strike!

I must admit, jake never went back to long feeds.. they stayed at 3-5 minutes per breast per feed.

I never topped jake up, in fact we stopped all bottles at this point as I was sure that wasnt helping.

I will say this, you have had such a hard time with bf and have soldiered on anyway. You have tried everything anyone has suggested and thats all you can do! Your not a bad mum if you admit its become too much and you cant do it anymore! Mummy has to be happy and healthy too!


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Going to an oseto or similar may help too she might be slightly out of alignment and finds feeding uncomfortable.

Esme can be fussy like that if she is I let her have a play then try again later and she'll often latch back on. Failing that feeding in bed or in a different position helps too.

She is 10 months and the frequency of feeds is just as many as before. She isn't in a routine for feeding but generally has about 5 during the day and 1-3 at night (between 7pm and 7am). She is also an efficient feeder and can only be on for 2-3 minutes before being full. I always offer the both sides but she doesn't always take both.
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Thanks guys,
We went to the osteo when she was born a couple of times, and she is all straightened out now (although I was contempating taking her back). Its not the let down (I dont think) as she will pull off in the middle of the let down and milk goes everywhere. My supply has been crap as after the mastitis is dropped then she went on the strike and it dropped more, am on domperidone atm to boost it back up again. Ive tried the feeding in different positions, it tricked her to start with a little when she didnt llike the mastitis side, but now she will pull off the other side too. I dont have any caffine (argh I miss my coke!!) so its not that.

So I guess I will just try and aim to make it to 6 months and take it from there. My assumption that as solids goes up BFing amount goes down seems to be wrong Not the answer I was looking for!!


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How weird!

Last suggestion, I promise Could it be a case of let down taking too long but once it happens its too fast??????

Whats the letdown like when you pump? Does it take a while then come out really quickly???

I think you are a star

The milk will drop off but not until more like 9 months as they start having solids before milk and more of them....but not for all babies


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Umm I do have quite a strong let down, but not really forceful? she doesnt often choke (like maybe once or twice a week?) And I let down in about 30sec generally... I dont know, is that a long time?


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It's taken about a month almost for Lily to spread her feeds out now she is on solids, but she's a greedy little girl lmao! And I've also found myself getting really engorged and painful letdowns since starting solids

What about the lactaid but with the EBM instead of formula?
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Same as my let down Emma.
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Shes not getting distracted and looking away at things?? My wee man is a pain if things look interesting while he feeds he pulls off and has a good look around and I have to put him bak on or he would just keep looking around. Try a light wrap or towel or anything over your shoulder and over their head to block the sight of anything that could distract
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Nope thats a quick let down... you have nothing to loose by leaning back a bit to slow the flow for her and see if she copes better with that???


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She doesnt get distracted, shes looking at me generally (generally my arm or boob, what ever is in front of her.) she pulls off in the middle of the night in a silent pitch black room too.
Tried the leaning back too, well leaning forward as soon as shes latch but as soon as i start to feel the let down leaning back, but doesnt make any difference


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We found when he had wind it also made him pull off.
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Taylah went through this alot too. She wouldnt feed often, from memory i think it was stuff i was eating or drinking that she didnt like. So if id eaten something quite spicy the day before she wouldnt feed well the next day. Sometimes things like tomatoes, cauli, the list goes on.

I never had supply issues though so i guess that could be an issue too perhaps??

Taylah didnt really start solids until 7/8 months. I always offered her food but she was never interested until then. At 8 months she was having about 3/4 feeds a day, sometimes alot more at night She is still a small eater but always has been however.

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