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    Posted: 21 July 2010 at 2:26pm
I'm a bit irritated with DD's daycare at the moment but when I raise anything I get the feeling that we are considered *very* conservative and OTT by the daycare. So, whats the norm?

DD is 3. She came home one day wearing makeup (foundation/rouge/eyeshadow etc). I was upset about it and asked the school not to put makeup on her again. I let them know we dont think its appropriate for a 3 year old and that we have had a history of skin allergies as well.

Two weeks ago, DD again comes home wearing makeup. I sent a letter to the daycare manager asking them to please not put makeup on our child and followed it up with a talk.

We dont mind face paint... but makeup? I really hate the way we "sexualise" our little girls so early on and I think that encouraging makeup and the like doesnt help any.

We dont have any Barbie/Bratz stuff in our house, she doesnt get to wear teeny little miniskirts and cropped tops (and I found it odd when we were gifted some).

We're also careful about what she watches on TV. Recently whenever we fetch her from daycare they are letting the kids watch clips on Youtube. When I last fetched her they were watching Spiderman and I thought "gosh, this is a bit violent" but didnt say anything. DH fetched her yesterday and they were watching some odd clip with farting, burping animals and the older boys were running around pretending to fart on people.

Are we being really odd about this? The children range from 2 to school-going age.



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I don't have a child let alone one in daycare but that sounds off to me. Full makeup on a 3 year old? Especially when you had specifically told them that you did not want her wearing makeup.

It sounds like they are making some errors in judgement to me and may have lost a little sight of the age of the children they are looking after!
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Wow, I am kinda surprised they allowed the make up, our family has a history of being allergic to eye shadow (eyes swell and go puffy and itchy etc)

I guess times have changed from when we were kids... I don't think there is anything wrong with watching YT clips, but perhaps age appropriate ones are a lot better imo.

I grew up with Barbies and will let Lily have them, however I won't let Lily do ballet as a friend of mine did it and she was tiny as 45kg (under weight) and the teacher would call her fat

I completely understand how you feel though!
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That is a bit weird! I would have thought face paint would have been the way to go - not makeup? And if they were using makeup in funny ways then I wouldn't have a problem but if they were putting it on the "proper" way - that would annoy me. Did they put it on the boys too? That would probably be very annoying for me as well if they did makeup with the girls while the boys got to play in the mud or something like that.

They watched movies at the daycare Jude used to go to I think but not youtube or afternoon cartoons like spiderman.


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farting is normal and funny - especially for boys!

they are a daycare and should be taking into consideration all parents, not just a few. I dont think it is conservative not to want make up on your 3 year old at all. maybe you should pop in and do some surprise inspections to see what kind of supervision they are having. If the carers want to watch youtube they should do it on their own time.

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I dont think you are being OTT at all. You have 2 very valid reasons you dont want your daughter wearing makeup so they should respect that.

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I don't have a daughter nor does my son go to DC yet - but I certainly don't think you are being odd. From what you have said I would be starting to look around for another DC. I think I would have an issue with makeup on a child so young and if they were going to let them watch TV/Youtube - at least it should be age appropriate like cartoons or something.
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I think the makeup thing is a bit strange...imagine if she had an allergy? Makes you wonder if they listen to anything a parent has to say and what risks they are taking with other things.
And your other reason is totally valid too!!
Not OTT at all.



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Originally posted by clover clover wrote:

I don't have a child let alone one in daycare but that sounds off to me. Full makeup on a 3 year old? Especially when you had specifically told them that you did not want her wearing makeup.

It sounds like they are making some errors in judgement to me and may have lost a little sight of the age of the children they are looking after!


Yeah, the first incident was full-on makeup that we battled to get off with soap. I dont usually wear makeup myself so dont keep any remover.

The second time was blue eyeshadow and rouge.

I ended up at A&E getting steroid injections the last time I tried to use makeup and when I saw the daycare teachers the next day looking like the marshmallow man I let them know it was an allergic reaction to makeup and reiterated that it is one of many reasons we dont put it on DD.

Its really frustrating! After my letter the manager said it will never happen again... so here's hoping



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I remember being surprised when I first heard about the makeup incident. U don't think you're odd at all- this wouldn't happen at our DC and rightly so.
I agree with you 100 %, and find it weird such things happen at a centre. I'm not stating that they are not educating your child etc at all - just weird that this sort of thing happens on top of that.

edited to add: I'll backtrack slightly. Maybe if they were showing some super educational preschool based program of some sort - but certainly not spiderman and farting clips.

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We havent spoken to them about Youtube and age appropriate watching yet - I thought I'd first make sure we werent being ridiculous.

We're happy with the daycare in all other areas and she loves it there... but maybe when the teachers are choosing what to watch they should make it appropriate to the youngest child in the room at the time.



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Lol I think given the tone and speed of the replies Azza, you're quite normal and not that conservative at all really
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I agree with the others - I don't think you're being OTT or conservative at all! That would really rip my nightie if I'd specifically asked them not to apply make up and they did it again.

And I think you reasons for not wanting her to wear make up or watch TV are valid and sensible, not overly conservative.

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Agree with what's been said, I wouldn't want any make up being put on my girl when she's 3. Also you've asked them not too, your the customer you should get the service your expected to pay for.


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Hi AzzaNZ

I agree with you on all the above points. I'm 26 weeks pg with a wee girl and would not appreciate her being exposed to youtube or movies like spiderman without our consent.
How can they even consider putting makeup on children this young?? I would be complaining to the teachers also and it sounds like they aren't even listening to your concerns. Have you contacted any other mums for the daycare?
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I dont have a daughter but hell no on makeup that young........i totally agree on the sexualise too young and im sorry they are teaching at such a young age that natural beauty isnt something to be proud of......

and then to ignore you!!!!! I would have guns blazing
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IMO you are not being OTT at all! I would not consider myself conservative in the slightest and I would not want my daughter in a daycare where they put makeup on little girls OR allowed them to watch youtube or TV. Especially if you have already expressed to them your concerns. Maybe time to find a new daycare more in keeping with your families values? And that respect a parents decisions!

I think makeup is a tricky one and its something I would want to supervise in my own home. I am horrified at the early sexualising of little girls and I want to protect my daughter from that as much as I can. At 12 I was still playing dress ups and barbies, not wearing makeup and thong underwear and chasing boys and I value my childhood.

But I think there is a place for role playing, if my little girl wants to play putting on lipstick like mummy... or banging on nails like daddy if she's not a girly girl
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From a Mummy perspective I think its sucks!

From a dc perspective I suppose (and im just thinking out loud) it can be hard if you are playing dress ups with the kids but have to exclude one. BUT I think that they should exclude her because you have stipulated they do.

I do know how annoying it is to be "ignored" .. I specifically asked one day for them not to allow Issy to do any painting because I didnt want the top she had on to get ruined ... umm ... the top got ruined.

However that pales in comparison to someone who is allergic to make up!
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Not OTT at all, i wouldnt be happy either. My DS gets to watch youtube now and then at home... old mac donald songs etc, not spiderman and stuff, thats crazy! I wouldnt be happy. I can see you dont want to feel like you are constantly moaning though, so hopefully it doesnt happen again.

Reminds me i was going to talk to daycare about DS's hand been drawn on with pen by a teacher... maybe thats a bit OTT. DP wasnt happy though.




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Manda08 - Sorry this is way OT, but I <3 your sons name!
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