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Bubie 
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Posted: 10 July 2010 at 7:34pm |
Hi There
Our nearly 11 week old son is on the Heinz Nurture Gold formula in the purple tin for hungry babies, hes been on this since he was about a week old and has been drinking 150mls since then about every 2 and a half to 3 hours, now he does struggle with wind but lately he has been spilling more after each feed, i seem to have to keep a bib on him all day otherwise it goes onto his clothes, He does spill more now then he use to but im wondering if any of you have experienced this and what did you do ? Do you think changing his formula might work and see if he still spills the same ??
The only problem is any other formula i could try him on isnt for hungry babies..He is gonna go onto Farix in the next 2 weeks but he is quite uncomfortable when he spills after a feed so i imagine it wouldnt be very nice for him and must hurt him   Any Suggestions ?
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Posted: 10 July 2010 at 8:11pm |
have you talked to your plunket nurse or G.P??
He is really young to be starting on farex. I would avoid all food / solids unitl at least 5 months.
Ring plunket line they are great. 
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Posted: 10 July 2010 at 8:23pm |
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Agree totally with the above post. Go see your GP or plunket nurse. Plunketline are fab too!
There may be something more going on that him just being a hungry baby, and giving solids so early may nly make any issue worse. The world helath organisation dont recommend introducing solids before 6 months.
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Posted: 10 July 2010 at 8:29pm |
Yeah I wouldnt be starting farex at his age, I would hold off on that until 4 months(4 months is the age the box says you can give it from)
I would try upping his formula, at that age my DS was having 200mls every 3-4 hours. Have you tried just a plain formula? as the GOLD ones can cause them to get wind and upset tummys, we use S26, just the plain one in the blue and pink tin and its great, both my kids have be good on it, and also hungry babies! but giving them more in one bottle was better than the hungry babies stuff which caused awful wind for them.
If the spilling seems to be bothering him the he might have reflux, so Id pop in and see your Dr and ask to try some infant gaviscon. My DD had reflux and would spill a lot and was uncomfy and upset most of the time, until she got put onto losec for the reflux, we tried gaviscon first but that didnt work for her.
Also, I agree, plunket line are good
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Posted: 10 July 2010 at 8:43pm |
I dont see much problem with him being on farix this early as i was on it at 6 weeks old, and i never had any problems, if he does get a wee bit constipated from it then there is drops i can give him to help him untill his system adjusts to it, so personally i dont see a problem with it as i can tell he is ready for them
Sheza- Yeah i might change his formula onto a normal one and see how that goes aswell, ive tried giving him a bigger feed at once but some days he will take it but other days he wont, his feeding pattern seems to change all the time, He also does have problems with his wind so maybe changing him onto another formula might help with that aswell, Then i think if he still spills the same on the new formula then ill take him to the doctor and see what they say 
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Posted: 11 July 2010 at 9:13am |
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I changed from the regular nuture to that one as supposedly it is meant to help with spilling but I switched to Karicare because I thought it was a bit constipated and although he was more spilly for the first week I think he's heaps less now. Could be him growing out of it and eating more solids though.
Otherwise try one of the other brands with a casein base, as that's thicker and supposed to help keep it down. Not sure if that's why it's for hungrier babies too but might do the trick. I haven't noticed a difference in the amount Cooper drinks since switching from that one to a normal one either.
The other thing you could try is something like infacol to help bring up wind and that might make him less spilly too.
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Shezamumof3
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Posted: 11 July 2010 at 11:10am |
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Nuture do a hungry babies formula and tis not a GOLD one, so that could be worth a go, or just stick with a regular formula and up the amount(doesnt matter if he doesnt drink the same amount each time, thats really normal).
Infacol is good for wind, I used that in every single bottle!
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Posted: 11 July 2010 at 6:13pm |
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Karicare also do one for hungry babies.
To be honest, i'd give him a go on the normal stuff now. Thomas was on the thickened one for ages and just got used to it, so we swapped him back to a normal one and upped the amount and he was fine.
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Posted: 11 July 2010 at 7:58pm |
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Introducing solids, the age for that is ALWAYS changing, it used to be 9 month in the 30s, 6 weeks in the 70s, 4 months in the 90s... Now it's 6 months. I would personally speak to Plunket first before starting as he will only just be 3 months. And that to me does seem really early to start solids or be ready for them.
I don't FF, But wonder if you are able to give him more formula? Or is he having the max for that age?
Have you given him anything for the wind like gripe water? etc.
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Posted: 12 July 2010 at 8:39am |
I think he is ready for solids, i was on it a 6 weeks old, it dosnt harm you and he is ready for them now and showing all the sign, To be honest i dont see the problem with them, it never hurt me being on them so early, it actually helped me so i doubt it will harm him in any way.
Yeah we have tried all the wind stuff and have upped his formula now, but it still seems to do the same thing 
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Posted: 12 July 2010 at 9:11am |
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You may think he's ready for solids but the chances are his stomach lining is not. Just cause you were ready for them at 6 weeks does not mean he will be. The stuff that they used to give to baby's back we when we were born is before more research and awareness, hell I think they even gave us fruit juice from the get go!
Also he will show you when he's ready, remember to look for the extrusion reflex, if he doesn't have that then he might well be ready for solids. This usually doesn't disappear until they are 4 months anyway, it's natures way of protecting their gut.
Also speak to your Dr or well child provider before you introduce solids. Also my opinion, I'd research a better first food than Farex, something that is easier on the tum.
I would also speak to your Dr or well child provider about changing formula, or follow the advice of the others above.
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Posted: 12 July 2010 at 9:14am |
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solids too early can harm them... sure when we were babies we were fed early but it wasnt all the processed crap we have now. and just adding more crap to a babies system in the form of "drops" for constipation cant be that good either. talk to a professional, either plunket or your gp before you do something. was there a reason he was on hungry formula to start with?
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Posted: 12 July 2010 at 9:47am |
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I've read introducing solids too early can cause allergies etc and really upset the tummy.
I also agree with the reflex A&C mentioned, Lily is ready for solids in almost everyway but still has the reflex.
Definitely talk to your PN etc first, a friend of mine also started her boy at 3 months due to family pressure and she had to stop and wait.
Agree with what Bizzy said too.
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Posted: 12 July 2010 at 10:29am |
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I agree with Bizzy - just cos babies were fed earlier when we were little, doesnt mean its right- thats what reseacrh is for, and has shown that babys bodies are not ready for solids for at least 4 months. World health organisation says 6 months.
Back when we were little our parents also used to do things that we nt know are not safe, like put us in a bassinette on the backseat or carried us in the car, no such thing as carseats for babies,...we now know that this is not safe either.
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Posted: 12 July 2010 at 12:27pm |
I Think it's right to give my boy them, i dont want to starve him when he shows that he wants it, it dosnt harm them as other babies may get allergies from having them too early but i never did, it's just a thing that you have to do and wait and see if anything happens, im not a text book mum and i dont follow the rules of everything, sorry if it sounds a little rude but im sick of people judging about it, nothing is wrong with it, it dosnt kill them, ive even heard of it helping to settle babies So if it helps to settle mine then it's a bonus.
Ive also tried talking to Plunket and things and they said it was a good idea, but to take it slowly and watch it quite closly
I had to put him on the hungry baby formula as the normal formula wasnt settling him, it was advice from the midwife and it deffinetly worked, but now he's more hungry and giving him more formula just dosnt seem to work
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Posted: 12 July 2010 at 5:27pm |
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the thing to remember too is that quite often the ready for solids signs are the same as other developmental stages and they quite often get confused. they still have growth spurts too and i personally would think that if you had a reflux problem then you would want to be extra careful about what you introduce food wise and when. and re allergies i think it would be a shame if a child developed allergies - especially serious ones - because solids were introduced too early. there are many people who have no allergies themselves but still have children who develop them. (which isnt to say that early solids leads to allergies in case anyone takes that the wrong way!)
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Posted: 13 July 2010 at 7:32am |
I wouldn't be giving my baby solids anywhere near that early hun. I"m suprised Plunket have ok'd it and said it was a good idea. Heaps more research has been done since we were kids and giving them food too early can really harm the lining of the tummy.
You're his Mum tho and it's up to you.
Oh adn no-ones judging you...you asked for opinions and that's what you're getting I think we can all safely say none of us are text book Mums lol
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Posted: 13 July 2010 at 11:37am |
I dont think anyone is judging you hun, just concerned that you dont have all the facts... you have mentioned a couple of times that solids early doesnt hurt them.. when in fact the research shows it can... But if you have spoken with professionals about it then thats good, I think the previous posters were probably concerned you were basing your decisions on what your mother did with you without getting appropriate advice.
With regards to your OP, it does sound like it could possibly be reflux, so a chat with your GP might be in order before switching formulas... although I do agree with posts about the gold formulas.. our local plunket family centre actually tell people to NOT use gold as its unnecessary and often causes tummy issues... It may acutally be the reason why bubs is a "hungry" baby....Jake would feed hourly until we started his meds for reflux and always seemed hungry but it was actually because the milk soothed his sore throat and once the meds kicked in he started feeding 3-4 hourly.. was quite remarkable really!
Good luck, hope you get it sorted quickly
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Posted: 13 July 2010 at 2:00pm |
Often wind can be confused with hunger too. If he is unsettled after his feed it is more than likely to be wind causing it. If he has reflux it will also make him more unsettled if it is hurting him when he spills or it could even be silent reflux. I would go and see your GP and discuss your concerns with them first before committing yourself to giving him solids.
Have you considerd maybe he has developed an allergy to lactose or something in the formula? Worth also discussing with Gp
Hey and plunket don't always know best back in the day. In my dads plunket book it suggested to put baby in a sunny spot uncovered for 2-4hours a day. No wonder there is sooo much skin cancer around in that age group now.
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