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    Posted: 02 June 2010 at 6:53pm
Poor Caleb had his 3 month jabs today and again he's got a temp, is quite upset and hard to feed, though this is worse than last time.

He cries out in fright every time someone coughs or sneezes and is generally acting like his world just ended.

Do I really need to do this to him again in 2 months? Surely he'd be protected after 2 sets of jabs already?

He's usually such a happy baby and he's been crying with a temp since he woke up an hour ago.
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If he's woken with a temp this late in the day you need to take him back to the doctor, that's NOT normal, and may be an adverse reaction to one of the imm's.
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Aaawww hun I"m sorry to hear about Caleb. You do know that you don't HAVE to immunise at all though?...you do what you think is right and what your intuition tells you to do. It must be so hard to watch such a reaction . I agree with Freespirit that you should take him to a Dr just to make sure he's ok. We haven't immunised Clodagh at all (after much soul searching and investigation and reading and discussing with GP etc) and she is (touch wood) very happy and healthy. But we constantly recheck how we feel about it cos as far as I know you can start immunising at any stage? I appreciate that some of the (perceived)  'benefits' may be lost this way but that's just something you have to weigh up.

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Have you given pamol and if so has the temp started to come down? Is it a slight temp or quite high?

I personally would take him to an ED (not to freak you out but my Paed says at night to take Jake straight to ED rather than an after hours!) if pamol has not lowered the temp or it has gotten higher...


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if they only needed 2 lots of jabs then they wouldnt need to give three now would they!

this is from the immunisation advisory centre:

All medicines have risks as well as benefits. Any serious side effects (such as an allergic reaction) are very rare. Most children experience little or no ill effects after immunisations. Some of the minor effects reported include mild fever, tenderness or swelling and redness at the site of injection.


oh and emmecat is right - you dont have to immunise. but if you choose not to it pays to have researched.


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It is worth investigating as I opted out of giving my DS the next MMR injection which was offered during the outbreak in ChCh.

Something like 80% of children are immunised after the first vaccine. I was happy with that and am tossing up still whether to vaccinate for MMR again at 4 years as only 95% of children are covered after both injections.

Am thinking if he needs a blood test between now and then I am going to get his immunity to everything tested.

I am trying to find the site that I found my stats on but can't at the moment. Its def worth looking at the figures though.

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Lily had a little temp (37.8, she normally 37.2) and had a little cry and vomit on the night of them, I gave her pamol followed by a feed and she was a lot better.

You don't have to immunise! Completely up to you and your dp!

But unfortunately they need all the jabs to be protected.
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Originally posted by nkap9 nkap9 wrote:

But unfortunately they need all the jabs to be protected.


I could be wrong but when I looked into this I found that this isn't true. Some kids will be protected after 1 immunisation and the reason they do 2 or 3 in some cases is to bring the numbers up. I also find it interesting that some kids can have the full course and not be immunised at the end of it.
       
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His temp wasn't/isn't worryingly high, it's just the fact that he's so obviously upset that I'm not happy about and also the fact he seems to be reacting worse each time.

He's had pamol since I posted and seems better for it (and he loved the taste!), though he hasn't managed to go to sleep yet. He's lying in bed talking to himself and occasionally grizzling.

I really don't feel comfortable doing this again. Next time he might react more seriously
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If it was me, I would give it 24 hours and see how things were going before deciding about the 5month jabs. My DD always got a temp and majorly grumpy each time for a couple of days (later we found out she had allergies to some of the components in the jabs), but generally as she got older, she reacted less. The volume of vaccine they give is the same, regardless of whether they are 6 weeks or 6 years, so the older they get, the better they cope.

You don't have to do the third lot, but as others have said, some kddies are not protected by just the 2 doses - and unless you get a blood test to check for antibody levels, you won't know if your son is in that number or not.

I guess I look at it that my DD having a mild temp and being grumpy for a couple of days is still far better than if she actually contracted any of the diseases that the vaccines offer some protection against. I would suggest doing your own research though, so you feel comfortable with whatever decision you make. Hope he's feeling better soon - it's hard when they're so little and you can't do an awful lot to make them feel better.
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Originally posted by Bizzy Bizzy wrote:

if they only needed 2 lots of jabs then they wouldnt need to give three now would they!

this is from the immunisation advisory centre:

All medicines have risks as well as benefits. Any serious side effects (such as an allergic reaction) are very rare. Most children experience little or no ill effects after immunisations. Some of the minor effects reported include mild fever, tenderness or swelling and redness at the site of injection.
oh and emmecat is right - you dont have to immunise. but if you choose not to it pays to have researched.


I agree , and talk to your doctor about it if your concerned. If the temp has risen rapidly go to AndE or if it rises above 38
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Originally posted by Peanut Peanut wrote:

Originally posted by nkap9 nkap9 wrote:

But unfortunately they need all the jabs to be protected.


I could be wrong but when I looked into this I found that this isn't true. Some kids will be protected after 1 immunisation and the reason they do 2 or 3 in some cases is to bring the numbers up. I also find it interesting that some kids can have the full course and not be immunised at the end of it.


Oh yeah, I forgot my mum's work colleagues grandson had the full course and didn't end up fully protected.

The nurse told me they need all to be protected, then again she would say that as she has to promote it to us!
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Nic perhaps she should have worded it "you should have all to ensure a greater chance of protection"

Glad the temp isnt too high and the pamol seems to be helping (and yup Jake gets excited if he sees the pamol bottle.. slightly concerning )!

Its hard seeing our little ones going through pain that we essentially have caused so I guess its a case of doing some research and deciding for yourself if you think that discomfort is worth it....

Oh and our experience with Jake was the 3 months one was the worst, he actually wasnt too bothered by the 5 month ones.. no temp, just a little crankier than usual for the next couple of days but it wasnt bad (well I thougth it was at the time until he got teeth and then realised it actually wasnt bad at all LOL).. anyway not trying to sway you just sharing our experience.

Hope he is feeling much better in the morning!


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I found the 3 month jabs the worst too. He hardly grizzled at all when he actually got the injection, but he was really upset etc for a couple of days afterwards. I had pretty much the exact reaction you are having now, should I continue. After a lot of thought and consideration we will be continuing with the next lot, I'll let you know in a couple of weeks how the 5 month ones were in comparison.

But, I have been told that the 3 month ones are by far the worst

 
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I think its fairly normal to have a mild temp, isnt it? Jackson also gets grizzly and can have a mild temp after his jabs, but I just monitor him and give paracetamol and lots of cuddles. Usually by the next day he is much better. Poor mites, if its anything like what our jabs are like afterwards then fair enough to be grizzly.

I agree with Bizzy, if you dont get his 5 month jabs (or any other scheduled ones) you need to discuss with your Dr and do your research
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DD gets a temp after her jabs, and is pretty grumpy, but I'm not too worried. Rather that than she gets meningitis or something. Our 5 month jabs were fairly similar to our 3 month jabs, for us the 6 week ones were the worst. Although for the 3 and 5 month jabs we gave her pamol as soon as we got home rather than waiting until she got a temp like at 6 weeks. I think she needed pamol twice on the day of jabs and then again at around 5 the next morning (her jabs were all around noon). The hardest part for me was knowing that it was something I'd inflicted on her, although I made DH hold her for the jabs
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I am lucky that my boys *touch wood* have been fine after all... i understand it the same was as peanut...that a certain amount are after 1 jab and then two but you dont know whether your child is one of them or not....without tests..personally I would do the third set..as thats it till 15 months.. i guess for me its a few mins/hours of unhappiness vs what else can happen..but as others say its a personal decision...personally i would get temp checked but i would also get the next one.
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At the end of the day it's your choice - as others have said, do your research and pick the option that sits well with you.

My personal opinion is that I would rather deal with a day or so of discomfit rather than having my boy contract a serious preventable disease like polio.

Ah, here we are - a quote that explains my view a lot better than I actually do:

"Some parents focus on the side effects of the immunisations more than on the diseases the child is protected from. It is important to understand that the risk of serious complications in connection with vaccination is very low, compared to the risk from the diseases should a child contract them." from www.immune.org.nz


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Originally posted by Jelly Jelly wrote:

Do I really need to do this to him again in 2 months? Surely he'd be protected after 2 sets of jabs already?


That's up to you and there's no 'right' or 'wrong' answer to that question. A vaccination is NOT a guarantee they won't get sick, just as NOT having a vaccination means they will.

If you are concerned maybe take the next couple of months to start researching a bit more. I started my research nearly 2 years ago now...still no clearer about what the 'best' course of action is so for the time being we are doing what we feel is right for us. If I had been smart I would have done all this before DS1 was born nearly 7 years ago...but alas, am a bit slow in that department. hehehehehe

At the end of the day you can always 'catch up' later, but you can't ever take back the ones they have already had, so if you are unsure then I think it is perfectly reasonable to delay until you have looked at it a bit more so you have a better understanding....but that's me.
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The latest North & South magazine has as its cover story all about immunisation if you are interested.

Personally I would immunise -- I lived in the Middle East for a while and have seen the effects of those illnesses where there isn't an immunisation programme.
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