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Mrs_B
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Topic: Teaching your baby to STTN? Posted: 05 November 2009 at 3:41pm |
At what age do you think a baby "should" be able to sleep through the night 10pm-7am? Do you think some babies need to be taught how to do it? either through CIO, CC or some other method or are you of the opinion they will do it when they are ready?
Corban still wakes twice (on a good night!) overnight to be fed, once between 10-11pm and again around 2am. He goes to bed between 6.30-7pm can take up to 2hrs to settle and then is awake for the day at 6am. We tried CC for 6 nights to try and get him to drop the 2am feed with no success. Plunket suggested limiting the time he feeds, but he packs a hissy fit if I take him off before he is done!  He BF 4hrly and has 2x solid meals during the day.
I am so damn tired.
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Bizzy
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Posted: 05 November 2009 at 4:16pm |
ah should is hard with babies. I wouldnt expect a 5 mth old to sleep all night, i might think an 8 mth old could but wouldnt be surprised if not. by 12 mths most kids seem to sleep thru but i know thats not with all kids either tho. I dont like CC or CIO, especially not in the wee small hours when it can be cold and dark and quiet...(scary for some adults let alone kids).
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Posted: 05 November 2009 at 4:39pm |
DS is 7mths old and I am lucky if he wakes only twice a night. Normally it is at least three times. And I ditto you on being so tired.
Sometimes I can get away with getting DS back to sleep with his dummy but most of the time he wants to feed to sleep. Sometimes he actually seems really hungry, and I try to take him off like you do and he also starts getting upset. Every evening I say that I am going to try something different but when the time comes I am just so tired and just want to get him back to sleep as quickly as I can, so use the methods that work.
But I am going to try leaving a light on for him tonight as he has learnt to put his dummy back in his mouth by himself, so I figured if I leave a dim light on then he will do that and I won't have to get up to him.
Other then that I am just going to leave it up to him. He has done it a few times (slept through) so I know he can do it. When you think about it though, even adults wake up during the night for a drink or loo stop so why should we expect our babies to sleep through every night.
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Posted: 05 November 2009 at 4:45pm |
Pfft.....to plunket.....
Each baby is so different.
My trick is to have a sleep in on the weekend if your DH is kind. I don't make mine get up during the week cause he's the breadwinner. Also going to bed earlier definitely does help.
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Posted: 05 November 2009 at 5:04pm |
ummm not to scare you but
my 4 year old has only started sleeping those hour about 5-6 months ago :/
my almost 3 year old about the same but occasionally will still wake :/
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Posted: 05 November 2009 at 5:12pm |
Oh yeah LOL Tastic....same with my 5yo LMAO who used to "STTN" at 8 weeks old.....
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Posted: 05 November 2009 at 5:32pm |
Daniel didn't reguarly sleep through the night at that age either. Happened on his own a couple of months later I think. Kinda hard to remember exactly now
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Posted: 05 November 2009 at 6:28pm |
Okay so there is a chance it will still happen without me having to do anything as such. I was worried that it was going to be a habit I was going to have to break at some stage and thought it would be easier to do it now than in 6mths time??
and wow what's with all the lurkers that read and never post! lol
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Posted: 05 November 2009 at 7:14pm |
If a 5 month old baby wakes it's generally for a good reason and not out of habit. Their stomachs are still only the size of their tiny little fists so it would still stand to reason that they will be hungry more often than us adults.
There is research to show that CIO especially raises the levels of the stress hormone cortisol in little babies brains, and overrides their 'fight or flight' response because they begin to understand that no-one is coming for them.
This is one of my favorite articles by one of my newest favorite authors in terms of baby / infant / child behavior:
The Language of Tears
Pinky McKay wrote:
A number of studies demonstrate that these elevated stress levels in infants may cause changes in the physiology of the developing brain. In particular, by permanently shaping the stress responses in the brain, which then affect memory, attention, and emotion. The saddest risk though, is that as the baby tries to communicate in the only way available to him, he will learn a much crueller lesson –that he cannot make a difference, so what is the point of reaching out. This is learned helplessness.
Perhaps the best advice with regards to crying is to remember that a baby cries because she needs something – or someone. By seeing your baby’s cries as communication rather than manipulation, and observing your baby closely, you will soon learn to differentiate between a grizzle, a red alert cry and tears of frustration, and you will respond intuitively without consciously having to work out, ‘what kind of cry is that?’ After all, you are the expert about your baby.
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Posted: 05 November 2009 at 7:16pm |
I agree with the others, all babies are different! My son used to STTN about half the time until a month ago (when we went on holiday, then went on holiday again, then got sick  ). If he woke and wanted milk I'd feed him, it didn't seem to make any difference to wheher he slept through the next night or not.
I think they just do it when they are ready.
 it is hard being so tired!
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Posted: 05 November 2009 at 8:21pm |
Mrs_B wrote:
and wow what's with all the lurkers that read and never post! lol |
They probably just let out a *sigh* and turned around and walked out.
They didnt see the need to write the emotion down before leaving.
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Posted: 05 November 2009 at 8:52pm |
Jake was STTN regularly by 10 weeks.
At about 5 weeks he decided he wouldn't go back down after his 12pm feed til 3am but after 1-2 nights of that I'd had enough so put him back to bed and let him cry (which was all it was - he never got distressed) and after a max of 8 minutes the first night he was asleep til his next feed and after the 2nd night doing that he went down like a dream. I'm aware there are people that wouldn't agree but just for the record I'm sharing what I did so please don't bag it!
I used Babywise with him and will do it again with Tyler. Jakes still a great little sleeper unless hes sick.
Anyway different strokes for different folks I think. I get severe depression when I don't get enough sleep - something to do with my serotonin levels so its incredibly important I get my babies sleeping well early on.
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Posted: 05 November 2009 at 8:59pm |
I have done a bit of reading on this lately and it is common for babies up to 2yo to wake at least once in the night. This made me feel better as Jack has only slept through a handful of times and he is 2.5yrs!
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Posted: 05 November 2009 at 9:17pm |
Babe, I did the leave for 5 mins thing. I still do, but you know the difference in I'm going to cry to sleep or I'm going to just cry hard out within the first min.
Re the lurkers....maybe they were hoping for the miracle cure LOL
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Posted: 05 November 2009 at 9:52pm |
My little girl doesn't sleep through the night and she is almost 9 months. She wakes about 3 times cause she has rolled over and is trying to sit up... little miss!!!
She goes straight back to sleep though, my husband never sleeps through the night, always gets up to pee or eat chocolate so I guess I can't expect Eva to sleep through the night if daddy can't.
I haven't fed her during the night sinced we moved to formula though. We still do a DF as DH loves doing it and getting to feed her.
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Posted: 05 November 2009 at 10:13pm |
my 4.5 year old has only been sleeping through the night on a rgular basis for the last 10 months. I saw every man and his dog about Jakes "problem" (it was really my problem, not his, since he didn't seem upset about it, lol) and most of the professionals said that CIO is stressfull on everyone and kids just aren't really hardwired to sTTN till they reach almost school age, so I guess that means all children are different. I certainly found that by not getting angry (IE giving in to the fact that I would be woken by him at the very least once, and often for long periods of time) and let him have a drink, cuddle etc mean tless stress and upset all round. Plunet certainly say no they don't need it, but I think under one, yes they do, and over one, if it helps make the gettign up easier to give them a drink, then do it. You have to do what is easiest for your family and you.
Whatever you do, don't "buy into" that societal and coffee group pressure to haev a baby that STTN, it really isn't the be all and end all. And I would think its entierely normal for a 5 ish month old baby to wake at least once during the night and need a feed, too.
If anyone asks (and don't they make you feel bad if the answer is no, they don't sleep through the night??) just nod and whatever. Its not worth hearinghtier story about how their baby STTN by 4 weeks or whateever bullsh*te they are spouting, cos its only going to make you feel worse and less adequite... Yoiua re doing a super job, and this too, shall pass.... xxxx
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Posted: 05 November 2009 at 10:13pm |
Spencer was sleeping through at 4 months and consistently sleeping through by 6 months, I can count on one had the number of times he has woken in the night since then. Kyle however is still up twice a night at nearly 10 months old. Different kids need different things, is my theory anyway. Plus if he seems hungry I would say that he IS hungry.
Plunket like to pigeon hole, and i normally say ignore them, although I made a post myself the other day after seeing them so I know that it's easier to say ignore them than it is to actually ignore them
As for the miracle cure, have you seen the treasures ad? Apparently if you use their nappies you all get a good nights sleep. I've been wearing one but so far it hasn't worked
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Posted: 05 November 2009 at 10:16pm |
LOL, I'm a lurker - I'd try to formulate a response and couldn't put my words together so I'd leave ...
Um, I think 5 months is pretty early for STTN. Daniel started STTN at about 6-7 months but he had a dreamfeed till about 11-12 months. If he didn't have the DF then we'd definitely feed him during the night. He used a dummy (and yes I know I bagged them in another thread, yes, I'm a hypocrite!), and we had about 6 weeks of DH getting up, sticking the dummy in till he learned to fully STTN. Now if he wakes, we know he's either got an ear infection or will get sick in a few days.
I know lots of mums who have found it's quicker to give them a quick feed than to do the whole getting them back to sleep without a feed palavar, and you need to do what works for you. We're lucky that we have only rarely needed to do CC (I struggle with it but it does work for us) but at that age, I'd do TLC and get DH to help as much as possible.
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Posted: 05 November 2009 at 10:17pm |
Just so I don't add to the lurker count - I agree with Bizzy, Jeszika, fattartsrock and HippyMama
LOL cuppatea!
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Posted: 05 November 2009 at 10:17pm |
lol cupptea..
(and sorry about all my typos!!! brain goes faster than fingers and cna't be botherd to edit - only edited before to add in some more)
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