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If you're keen on some reading on the subject that is not about sleep training or CIO / CC, routines etc try Sleeping Like a Baby by Pinky McKay, and a book I am just getting stuck into now myself - Nighttime Parenting by Dr William Sears.

I'd also recommend having a look around on the Peaceful Parenting blog - some great resources there.
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to some a routine is a very strict time schedule, and i certainly never had one of those. But i did have a routine in that one thing usually followed another...not in the very early days though, it was whatever baby wants baby gets!

i think it depends on your lifestyle and what sort of person you are as to what sort of routine fits in.

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Originally posted by StaceyL StaceyL wrote:

From here

"Research shows that 50% of 6 month old babies not sleeping through the night are still having sleep problems as preschoolers! So make the decision to teach your child to be a great sleeper, rather than relying on luck to change their sleep habits. And the quicker you start to teach your baby to sleep through the night, the quicker they will sleep through!!!!"

50% is quite a lot!

Thanks for all your replies guys. I'm not stressing about this, but it's nice to hear other peoples point of views sometimes.


so if half of all 6 mth olds arent sleeping throught then it is the norm then! what a silly thing to say!

We have had a bed time routine from about when gabriel was about 10mths of dinner, bath, pj's, story and then bed... his dad does most of that and when toby came along he always had story time too - and even with a bed time routine he didnt sleep through till he was 14 months old - and even now at 4 yrs old he isnt a great sleeper. But i think its his personality, as the other two do the same thing every night and they both sleep fine.

so i would say that was a load of Twaddle!

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Stacey I was a little bit like you when it came to the routine thing, I didn't want to have such a 'strict' routine that I couldn't do things I wanted or needed to do. There were a few things we did from very early on in terms of structure, but otherwise our days could involve any number of feeds (though not so many sleeps unfortunately!) and being based anywhere.

We tried to make sure that between the hours of 7pm and 7am we treated her going-to-sleep and waking-up times differently from the daytime. As in, we tried to have less interaction and keep lights dim etc. so she could get the idea that it was night time. She'd still take up until 10/11pm to settle for her overnight sleep, but from very early on until about 3mths old she slept 6 or 7 hours or more consistently.

Also, I was able to pick up on how long she'd cope with being up before she was ready for her next sleep. I think at about 5mths it might have been 1hr45mins up then she'd start to get tired and if I didn't catch her right then, she'd go hyper lol. So I'd try getting her to sleep at, or just before, the 1hr45min mark. She didn't always sleep, and either way once she was 'up' again the clock went back to 0. She'd get a second wind and last about 1hr45mins again before it was worth trying to get her back to sleep. For Bethany, sleep meant buggy or car or bed or anywhere I could get her to sleep depending on what we were doing. Obviously we weren't always able to keep to that time frame but it helped to have it in mind!

In my opinion, if what you're doing is working for you, then keep going! Unfortunately with Bethany after 3mths her night wake ups got increasingly worse - overnight feeding no longer put her back to sleep instead she'd wake every 1-2hrs and take 1-2hrs to get back to sleep with a lot of help from us. We had to get tough in the end cuz we simply couldn't cope and it was just getting worse. Throw maybe two 25-45min day naps (if we were lucky) into the day and although we had a happy baby, we were all so tired we couldn't see straight! :( But that was just us, doesn't sound like you're striking those probs which is great!!

The one thing I'd maybe suggest is having a regular night bed time and routine associated with it, as much as possible. In the end that was our saving grace - we'd started it from sometime after the 3mth mark and when, at 6mths, we had to get tough, she at least knew what bedtime meant at night. When I say that, obviously the time itself can change depending on what you're doing or where you are, but if you have maybe 2-3 things that you do the same before that particular bedtime, then you're teaching him what comes next. Before you know it, he might even be looking for those things at that time of night when he gets tired :) With Bethany it's saying goodnight to her toys, reading a book, and cuddling up on mummy with a song before we tuck her into bed. She knows the same 3 things will happen every night, no matter where she is, and that it will be different to her day nap. Just a thought anyway!

Hope that helps :-)

ETA - yikes sorry for the essay!!!

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Originally posted by Bizzy Bizzy wrote:

Originally posted by StaceyL StaceyL wrote:

From here

"Research shows that 50% of 6 month old babies not sleeping through the night are still having sleep problems as preschoolers! So make the decision to teach your child to be a great sleeper, rather than relying on luck to change their sleep habits. And the quicker you start to teach your baby to sleep through the night, the quicker they will sleep through!!!!"

50% is quite a lot!



so if half of all 6 mth olds arent sleeping throught then it is the norm then! what a silly thing to say!


I think what it means is that, of those babies that aren't sleeping through the night at 6 months old, 50% will go on to have sleep problems later in life. So if 6 of us have babies not sleeping well at 6 months, 3 of us will go on to have toddlers with sleeping 'problems'.

Still, would be nice to know where the research is from, they could have pulled that from anywhere.

Perhaps the reason those 50% weren't sleeping through the night at 6 months old is because that's just part of who they are, so why would that change as they get older? It doesn't actually say that the reason those babies weren't sleeping properly at 6 months was because they didn't have a routine, and maybe the other 50% were the ones that didn't have routines, and they got their sleep sorted out as they got older?


I have tried to have a bit of a routine with DS but I am reasonably flexible with it - the times don't all match up with what the books say to do and it can vary by an hour or so from day to day, but is reasonably consistent. However I take the cues for the routine from DS, rather than a book, and it seems to work for us.

Just last weekend I took him to an event during the day and because he had been fussy in the morning he barely slept between 8am-8pm. According to the books he should have had a terrible sleep that night, but he slept better than most nights! I wouldn't get in the habit of it, but it certainly tells me that the books aren't always right and every baby is different (and the books are all so inconsistent anyway, I'd go crazy trying to follow all of the advice!)





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In saying all that, I should mention that my mother was very all over the place with us when we were babies in terms of routine (her mother had been very strict with routines and she was rebelling somewhat).

I had trouble sleeping right up until I was about 18 and was very forgetful and disorganised until about the same age. What's impossible to know is whether or not this was at all linked to not having a routine as a baby/child, or if that was just me.




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Ben doesn't have a routine really except at bedtime as we all have dinner together and the boys bath etc together. He is still feeding at night and a few have told me that really he shouldn't. I just nod my head, smile and ignore what they say although sometimes it does annoy me. I get told he is a good weight so should be able to last the night, maybe because he is big he needs more!?! And it is so hot at night at the moment, I know I often need a drink.

Anyway saw this in another thread and thought it was good
Originally posted by HeidisMum HeidisMum wrote:

I saw this on Elizabeth Pantleys (Author of No Cry Sleep Solution etc.) FB page this morning and thought it was a something that every parent should read so I will share it here:


"There are no absolute rules about raising children. Raise yours in ways that are right for you. Address only problems that are problems to you. Don’t imagine problems because someone else thinks you have them, even if that person is family, friend or expert. Read, listen and learn constantly, but always sift what you learn through the strainer of your personal beliefs and parenting philosophy"
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kaybee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 February 2010 at 11:49am
Originally posted by Linzy Linzy wrote:


Originally posted by HeidisMum HeidisMum wrote:


"There are no absolute rules about raising children. Raise yours in ways that are right for you. Address only problems that are problems to you. Don’t imagine problems because someone else thinks you have them, even if that person is family, friend or expert. Read, listen and learn constantly, but always sift what you learn through the strainer of your personal beliefs and parenting philosophy"


What a great quote Linzy!




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I am a total routine person but think that you have to do what works for you. My best friend couldn't stick to a routine if she tried and would wound up feeling like she was doing it wrong but i honestly think if it's not in your nature to be routine focussed then you'll fail at it and feel stink. So save the stress and go with what works for you guys.

Re: the night sleeps - my opinion - i'd try and stop feeding to sleep in the night if it is not working for you. Get your DH/DP to take over for 3-4 nights, pick a long weekend and get him to do all night time resettlings for those days. Use whatever you need to do for those few nights, rocking, singing, dummy etc etc. MOST babies do without night feeds from about that age and will make it up during the day. Except for growth spurt times, although my DS has never been fed in the night since 4 months and never needed it. He was a little porker as a baby so definitely not missing out on any calories with no night feeds. They'll get used to whatever you give them so if you are happy to keep feeding at night you can and they will just drink less during the day. Personal choice really but i don't think you'll be depriving your child by not feeding them at night.   

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I've never set a routine as such. Mac has always been a 3 hourly feeder from the day he was born  (with the exception of growth spurts and his evening cluster feeds).

I tend to just go with it. The only thing we worked on in the sense of a routine was teaching him the difference between day and night. He sleeps for longer stretches at nigh than he does through the day.

I do the same kind of tings with each each time he wakes up. Like he wakes so it's feed, play, change, play, feed, sleep. So he knows whats going to happen next but I guess I've kind of worked my day to fit around him.
For example, he wakes around 1-2 in the afternoons, once he's back down to sleep I start preparing dinner, so when he wakes again at 4/5, once I get him back down, I cook our dinner


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