https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Thu, 21 May 2026 15:54:20 +0000 Fri, 30 Aug 2013 16:55:16 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 11.10 360 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=43519 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_images/web_wiz_forums.png https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/ https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43519&PID=5847204&title=coffee-catchup-29th-august-with-dorothy-waide#5847204 Author: kate106494
Subject: 43519
Posted: 30 August 2013 at 4:55pm

thanks v much for all the advice Dorothy!
Kate ]]> Fri, 30 Aug 2013 16:55:16 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43519&PID=5847204&title=coffee-catchup-29th-august-with-dorothy-waide#5847204 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43519&PID=5846874&title=coffee-catchup-29th-august-with-dorothy-waide#5846874 Author: DorothyW
Subject: 43519
Posted: 26 August 2013 at 9:39pm

My pleasure]]> Mon, 26 Aug 2013 21:39:23 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43519&PID=5846874&title=coffee-catchup-29th-august-with-dorothy-waide#5846874 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43519&PID=5846847&title=coffee-catchup-29th-august-with-dorothy-waide#5846847 Author: BeatingHeart
Subject: 43519
Posted: 26 August 2013 at 6:26pm

Hi Dorothy - thanks so much for your response. I was previously doing 5 breastfeeds a day so thats why it feels a like 'patchy' now.. but it makes sense that the milk feed after solids is the secondary (topup) feed and the one before bed becomes the main feed.
Thanks for clarifying!
Emily]]> Mon, 26 Aug 2013 18:26:57 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43519&PID=5846847&title=coffee-catchup-29th-august-with-dorothy-waide#5846847 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43519&PID=5846680&title=coffee-catchup-29th-august-with-dorothy-waide#5846680 Author: DorothyW
Subject: 43519
Posted: 24 August 2013 at 11:22pm

Hi Ladies
Thank you for all your questions and hopefully the answers will help you. It was lovely to meet you all at the OHBaby Coffee Catchup.

Remember before you do anything STOP, THINK, and ACT – work out what you are doing, why you are doing, and what you are trying to accomplish and then act.

Remember YOU are the baby’s mum and so listen to your heart and instinct.   Yes, we all don’t do it by the book, or get it right the first time, but you need to make ‘mistakes’ to get it right for you.   It’s a time of learning a little person’s personality and figuring out what works for your home life.

If you have the time I would love to see you pop over to http://www.facebook.com/BabyWithin
and 'like' it. You can then keep up with information that I post from time to time or hear from other mothers who write on the wall.

Please remember as a parent or carer that you should understand and acknowledge that Dorothy is NOT a licensed medical doctor or other licensed medical provider and the information that I share with you has come from experience and working with numerous families and babies and toddlers
]]> Sat, 24 Aug 2013 23:22:28 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43519&PID=5846680&title=coffee-catchup-29th-august-with-dorothy-waide#5846680 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43519&PID=5846679&title=coffee-catchup-29th-august-with-dorothy-waide#5846679 Author: DorothyW
Subject: 43519
Posted: 24 August 2013 at 11:21pm

HI Viv
Now I think you came and saw me today at the OHBaby stand at the Baby Show so I thought I would wait to receive your email and go through everything with you.   If this isnt you then let me know and I will come back and answer you
Dorothy]]> Sat, 24 Aug 2013 23:21:56 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43519&PID=5846679&title=coffee-catchup-29th-august-with-dorothy-waide#5846679 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43519&PID=5846678&title=coffee-catchup-29th-august-with-dorothy-waide#5846678 Author: DorothyW
Subject: 43519
Posted: 24 August 2013 at 11:19pm

Hi Kate
From your message it does sound like he is ready for solids however before you do this here are some suggestions for your routine. I have based this on his awake time being 2 1/4 hours and naps of 1 1/2 hours. By the time he is six months old his awake times will have stretched out to 3 hours and just 2 naps

7.00am wakes and feeds
9.00am Top up
9.15am Nap

10.45am wakes and feeds
12.45pm Top up
1.00pm Nap

230pm Wakes and feeds
4.30pm Top up
4.45pm Nap - this is a band aid (only need this until he stretches out his awake time and then this will be dropped)

5.15pm Wakes and feeds
Bath, feed
7.15pm Bed for the night

If he wakes resettle before offering feed during the night

NOw the answer to your question re the afternoon nap yes this is okay as mentioned above that once he starts to stretch out his awake time to 3 hours this will be dropped. Basically you dont want him at this stage sleeping after 5.15pm.   Ideally he should be having a feed around 5 then bath then top up and in bed but this will happen over time.

How long do you take to resettle. I tend to encourage them to stay in their cots or in arms for the full 1 1/2 hours so if they wake up after 45 minutes then I will take the rest of their nap time to resettle.

I think once you start solids that things will settle down as well.    I have put the solids notes and introducing vegetables up on the forum earlier - if you cant access them let me know and I will re post them
Dorothy ]]> Sat, 24 Aug 2013 23:19:51 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43519&PID=5846678&title=coffee-catchup-29th-august-with-dorothy-waide#5846678 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43519&PID=5846677&title=coffee-catchup-29th-august-with-dorothy-waide#5846677 Author: DorothyW
Subject: 43519
Posted: 24 August 2013 at 11:07pm

I would suggest that when he wakes you offer him his food. At 4 months I find that they do like their food on waking so instead of playing he would be happier with his food first, then play.   You haven't mentioned how long he is awake for but at 4 months his awake times will be approx 2 to 2 1/2 hours

15 minutes before he goes down for his naps I would offer him a top up which you are doing. This does not cause a feed/sleep association as long as you feed then swaddle/sleeping bag and into bed.

His routine would look rather like this - you havent mentioned what time he wakes in the morning so have started from 6.30am and then you will just need to adjust with his correct waking time

6.30 wakes and feeds
8.30am top up
8.45am nap

10.15am wakes and feeds
12.15pm top up
12.30pm nap

2.30pm wakes and feeds
4.30pm top up
4.45pm nap - this to me would be a cat nap or band aid (only required until he stretches his awake time out further and perhaps his morning nap is encourage to be the same time as the next nap)

5.15pm wakes and feeds
bath
top up
7.15pm bed for the night

Hope that helps
Dorothy


]]> Sat, 24 Aug 2013 23:07:22 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43519&PID=5846677&title=coffee-catchup-29th-august-with-dorothy-waide#5846677 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43519&PID=5846676&title=coffee-catchup-29th-august-with-dorothy-waide#5846676 Author: DorothyW
Subject: 43519
Posted: 24 August 2013 at 10:54pm

Hi Trish
Okay I would look at the following to help with your milk supply and my question also would be is there a reason why you are offering both breasts. The reason why I am asking this is that we want your baby to get as much hind milk as possible so therefore you need to encourage him to feed as much as possible off one side.

In my experience with reflux babies I would encourage you before going back on dairy whether his reflux is better without dairy in your diet. It wont stop the reflux but is he in less discomfort if the answer is yes thenI would definitely not re introduce dairy. You can take calcium supplements if not having dairy is a concern to you.

I would suggest that you take additional omega 3's, fenugreek, breastfeeding teas are good, good protein snack 1/2 hour before a feed gives your milk a good burst, eating a good balance of protein and carbs and ensuring you are drinking effort fluids.

Have you considered alternative treatments for the reflux - cranial and acupuncture are both good.

At 8 weeks Jamie's awake time will be approx 45 minutes to an hour and then napping for a minimum of 1 12 hours. Sleep is important. Babies need two nutrients - sleep and food.

When Jamie is on the breast for 10 to 15 minutes is this 10 to 15 minutes sucking or being on the breast. If he is not sucking then he is not feeding so it is not the length of time on the breast but the sucking time. Do you use the rugby hold as this sometimes will encourage the baby to start on the same side.

When he is lying in his bed awake for an hour does he then fall asleep. My suggestion would be that after 20 minutes I would then go and intervene with either a dummy and cupping and shushing or just cupping him off to sleep.

I think sometimes we also worry to much about our milk supply and although it is a concern he is not gaining my question would be to ensure you are using the same scales and the same time of day so that you can see whether he is actually losing or not.

You could also pump off a little on the second side before feeding so that hopefully he gets more of the hind milk but dont over pump.

Hope that helps Dorothy]]> Sat, 24 Aug 2013 22:54:44 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43519&PID=5846676&title=coffee-catchup-29th-august-with-dorothy-waide#5846676 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43519&PID=5846675&title=coffee-catchup-29th-august-with-dorothy-waide#5846675 Author: DorothyW
Subject: 43519
Posted: 24 August 2013 at 10:01pm

HI Selena
I wonder what size teat you are using and also how long it takes to feed him.
At 14 weeks I would like to think that he is up for approx 1 1/2 hours to 1 3/4 hours or maybe 2 hours max and napping for a minimum of 1 1/2 hours.

If he is overtired which sounds like he is then he will not feed well. Babies need sleep to feed well. IF they dont sleep well then they dont feed well and if they dont feed well then they dont sleep well.

As he is only 14 weeks it takes a long time to teach them to resettle so I would suggest that you retry this - this does not happen overnight

I have attached my settling and resettling notes for 0 to 12 weeks - hopefully this will help you.   0_to_12_wks_boy_august_.docx]]> Sat, 24 Aug 2013 22:01:52 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43519&PID=5846675&title=coffee-catchup-29th-august-with-dorothy-waide#5846675 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43519&PID=5846673&title=coffee-catchup-29th-august-with-dorothy-waide#5846673 Author: DorothyW
Subject: 43519
Posted: 24 August 2013 at 9:35pm

Hannah
Cupping is another word for shunting or jiggling. I myself don't like these two words as to me shunting is for trains and jiggling is a movement that cannot be done in a cot and also it is more for the parent than the baby as it seems more natural from a parents point of view. It is something that you feel you are doing for your baby, but as it cannot be done in the cot then its not a movement that I do.

Cupping unlike jiggling can be done in both arms and cot and once you understand how it works and also modify so it suits your baby it is a powerful tool for you to use.   

At 10 weeks her awake time will be approximately 1 1/4 hours to 1 1/2 hours, so my suggestion would be to offer her a top up before you put her down for her nap. Also when feeding if you are using a feeding pillow try and have her so that her head is slightly higher than the rest of her body - this feeding position does help the reflux babies.   

Shushing is similar to the hair dryer noise or as I explain it as the air coming out of a tyre - it is a long constant noise not a stop and start noise.

When working with a baby trying something once will not work you need to do it for a minimum of ten days and hopefully will see a small light at the end of the tunnel. IF not light (either dim or bright) then you are missing something.

If it is taking you three hours to settle her at night, how long does it take you to settle her for her naps. ALso if it is taking that long to settle then I would be re feeding her.

Most babies wake up after their first sleep cycle - the suggestion here is to work out what this time frame is and get into her room before she wakes and cup her back to sleep. Then over time you will start to step back and allow her the time to try and resettle.   If you want me to show you how to do it again then I am happy to do a quick skype consultation or if you are at the baby show tomorow (Sunday) I am at the OHBaby stand between 11 and 12 and 2 to 3. YOu do need to book a slot though.

I have attached my 0 to 12 week old notes on settling and resettling

girl_0_to_12_wks_august.docx]]> Sat, 24 Aug 2013 21:35:21 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43519&PID=5846673&title=coffee-catchup-29th-august-with-dorothy-waide#5846673 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43519&PID=5846672&title=coffee-catchup-29th-august-with-dorothy-waide#5846672 Author: DorothyW
Subject: 43519
Posted: 24 August 2013 at 9:03pm

Hi May
This is what I would suggest as he is 8 months old and it is important he has solids before milk

0630 Wakes, change nappy
7.00am Breakfast - cereal mixed with milk. Offer finger food such as toast, muffin, bagel. Also offer milk in a       
                                Sippy cup - you control this I like the NUk first feeder
                                OFfer breast feed once he leaves the highchair


930. Breast feed plus formula (if he is drinking 180mls of formula he is not really taking much breast so at this feed it might be ideal to just offer formula and give him what he whats.

10.00 to 11.30 nap (I would wake him at this time)

12.00 Lunch offer vegetables with a good carb i.e kumara, sweet potato, yam or potato Offer finger food ideally these will be the foods that you have made the puree with this is important so he learns texture taste and smell.
Again offer some milk in sippy cup or option is to offer water in sippy cup
Offer breast milk once he leaves the high chair

2.30pm Offer milk (again if he is drinking 180mls of formula I do wonder how much breast he is drinking)

3.00pm Nap ( I would wake him at 4.30pm)

5.00pm Dinner offer vegetables with either rice as the carb or a different carb from lunchtime. Plus veggies ideally will be different.   Offer finger food. Offer milk in Sippy cup.   Offer breast milk once he leaves the high chair.

Evening routine bath, milk and bed for the night

Bed 7.00pm for the night

I am not sure how big your baby is but he seems to be eating and sleeping well. I wouldnt stress about his milk intake as he is still drinking a lot of milk. I am not sure why you are bathing in the afternoon. I tend to bath in the evening as when he is a toddler this is when you would bath him. I also tend to bath daily as it is good to freshen up their body. IT takes longer to undress, dry and dress than it does to bath.

The only way you would increase his solid intake is to cut back on his milk intake but I would not suggest doing this.   

WIth his solids as long as the base is a carb then it should be fine. I hope this helps I have also attached my notes on solids and vegetables

[FILE=uploads/45521/Dorothys_Vegetables_copyOHBabyaug.pdf]Dorothys_Vegetables_copyOHBabyaug.pdf[/FILE][FILE=uploads/45521/Introd_Solids_OHBaby_Aug.pdf]Introd_Solids_OHBaby_Aug.pdf[/FILE]]]> Sat, 24 Aug 2013 21:03:13 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43519&PID=5846672&title=coffee-catchup-29th-august-with-dorothy-waide#5846672 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43519&PID=5846669&title=coffee-catchup-29th-august-with-dorothy-waide#5846669 Author: DorothyW
Subject: 43519
Posted: 24 August 2013 at 8:39pm

Hi Melissa
FOr a 4 month old baby his awake time is around 1 1/2 hours stretching to 2 hours. IDeally by the time he is six months old his awake time will be 3 hours.    

To increase his awake time this is how I would do it

700am wakes
7.15am Feeds
plays
8.15am Top up
8.30am Nap - if he wakes before 1 1/2 hours resettle (this is hard to teach but worth it as this is what teaches them to resettle during the night)

10.00am wakes
10.15am Feeds
plays
11.15am Top up
11.30am Nap - same as above

1.00pm Wakes
1.15pm Feeds
plays
2.15pm Top Up
2.30pm Nap - same as above

4.00pm Wakes
4.15pm Feeds, (option here is to bath, top up and bed for the night at 5.30pm)

OR you can do a cat nap (Band aid) until he is awake longer so that he has a quick nap and wakes by 5.30pm

if doing option 2 then
5.45pm Feed,
Bath, Top up and bed for the night by 7pm or 7.15pm at the latest

When he wakes overnight attempt to resettle before feeding. HOwever you cant just try resettling at night and not during the day.

You mention you resettled with a dummy so if you are using a dummy when putting him to sleep for his naps then he should ideally go to bed without the dummy and be allowed to try and find his sleep if he doesnt go to sleep then offer the dummy and cup. When he wakes after a short sleep cycle then offer dummy and cup him until he goes to sleep.

Dorothy

]]> Sat, 24 Aug 2013 20:39:19 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43519&PID=5846669&title=coffee-catchup-29th-august-with-dorothy-waide#5846669 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43519&PID=5846668&title=coffee-catchup-29th-august-with-dorothy-waide#5846668 Author: DorothyW
Subject: 43519
Posted: 24 August 2013 at 8:29pm

Hi Mel
I would recommend doing my 'snow' angel swaddle as this allows him to suck his thumb through the muslin swaddle. The swaddle avoids the startled reflex waking him - if this is not an issue then I would just continue to do what you are doing. I allow babies to have their hands if that is what they want and tend to use sleeping bags if not using the above swaddle.

With regard to your 16 month is this for naps and night time or just night time. At 16 months it is important to clean their teeth before going to bed so I would let her have her bottle, then sleeping bag clean teeth and if need be then hold her in your arms and allow her to settle without any intervention from you. Once she is asleep then transfer as normal. I am assuming that she is in arms drinking her bottle.
Dorothy]]> Sat, 24 Aug 2013 20:29:07 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43519&PID=5846668&title=coffee-catchup-29th-august-with-dorothy-waide#5846668 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43519&PID=5846667&title=coffee-catchup-29th-august-with-dorothy-waide#5846667 Author: DorothyW
Subject: 43519
Posted: 24 August 2013 at 8:23pm

Hi no you haven't missed the time frame as just starting to answer questions.   In my experience mums have told me that their babies feed more efficiently once they start solids and that they do empty the breasts quicker.    The breast feeds should not be patchy but the feeds with the solids will be slightly less and the feeds before nap times and bedtime will be good feeds.

SO basically if your 6month is up for 3 hours then they will have solids, milk play and then before bed approx 15 minutes or slightly earlier feed.   

Yes you are following my advice correctly and you are weaning however, I find that my mums actually are doing the same amount of feeds before they introduced solids. What does change is the top ups before naps and bedtime become the main feeds and the main feeds become the top ups as at the main feeds you are having solids as well. HOpe that makes sense.

My question to you is were you feeding your baby twice in his awake time or just the one feed. If you were just doing one then perhaps that is why you may feel they are a little patchy. Hope that helps.
Dorothy]]> Sat, 24 Aug 2013 20:23:18 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43519&PID=5846667&title=coffee-catchup-29th-august-with-dorothy-waide#5846667 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43519&PID=5846555&title=coffee-catchup-29th-august-with-dorothy-waide#5846555 Author: BeatingHeart
Subject: 43519
Posted: 23 August 2013 at 2:33pm

Hi Dorothy, I know I have missed the 48hour question window (I didn't have a question to ask before!) so understand if this goes unanswered..
I have been trying out your technique of solids before breastmilk and then a breastmilk topup again before sleep times with my average weight 6 3/4mth son. It seems to have been working well for solids consumption, getting him from 45 min day naps into 2-3 sleep cycle sleeps, and helping settle him before bed times... however I am worried that the milk feeds are now quicker and more patchy and am worried that my breasts feel emptier.
What do you think about this - am I effectively weaning now?? Am I following your advice correctly? Thanks Dorothy!]]> Fri, 23 Aug 2013 14:33:03 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43519&PID=5846555&title=coffee-catchup-29th-august-with-dorothy-waide#5846555 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43519&PID=5846405&title=coffee-catchup-29th-august-with-dorothy-waide#5846405 Author: DorothyW
Subject: 43519
Posted: 21 August 2013 at 11:50pm

Hi Sophie
Ideally she would not be crying for that long. What I would suggest doing is to look at her eating routine first and also offering milk before she goes for a nap.   Most babies like to be held so you would need to work with her to find out what would calm her and think about whether you can do it in the cot. I would recommend not starting something that you cannot finish in the cot.    

I would be interested in seeing her routine for 24 hours so I could answer this question a little better for you.
THanks for coming along on Monday
Regards Dorothy ]]> Wed, 21 Aug 2013 23:50:28 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43519&PID=5846405&title=coffee-catchup-29th-august-with-dorothy-waide#5846405 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43519&PID=5846404&title=coffee-catchup-29th-august-with-dorothy-waide#5846404 Author: DorothyW
Subject: 43519
Posted: 21 August 2013 at 11:47pm

HI Rachael
It is actually normal for a baby to move around in their cot.   I am on the understanding that if you are using the safeTsleep correctly that he can actually roll onto his side and then back onto his back.   I have not used the SafeTSleep as such but have visited Miriam who designed it so I would suggest calling their office and say that I suggested doing this and have a chat with them.

NOw I am also assuming (which I shouldn't) that the safety sleep you are talking about is the SafeTSleep - let me know if this is not correct.

And thank you so much for coming along on Monday.

Regards Dorothy]]> Wed, 21 Aug 2013 23:47:19 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43519&PID=5846404&title=coffee-catchup-29th-august-with-dorothy-waide#5846404 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43519&PID=5846387&title=coffee-catchup-29th-august-with-dorothy-waide#5846387 Author: Stella800
Subject: 43519
Posted: 21 August 2013 at 8:22pm

Hi Dorothy,
Thanks for the great talk on Monday - it was really informative and reassuring to hear all your advice and that there is no wrong way to parent.
Our son is 7 months old, he has been in his cot since 3 months (when he outgrew his moses basket), and in a sleeping bag for about 3 months since he started fighting his swaddle. We have just lowered his cot base as he is trying to pull himself up and crawling everywhere.
At the moment, he cries almost every time we put him into his cot - both day and night, it's a really distressed, upset crying, which he stops the moment I lean over to pick him up.
He is a very busy boy and has always fought sleep, and I have (almost) always been super patient and present with him. Sometimes, he will stop crying if we give him a dummy, but more often he refuses it and continues crying. My husband has very little success settling him from this state, and it means I spend a lot of time trying to get him to sleep.
I have tried (a version of) cupping in the past, but it just winds him up. Sometimes I find that if I hold his arms down firmly or stroke his temple it works, but other times he pushes my hand away and gets frustrated. Leaning over the cot is killing my back - sometimes it takes 30-45 minutes to get him to drift off. If I settle him in my arms, he is perfectly calm, but the moment I start to bend towards the cot he winds up again. I haven't had much luck transferring him if he's actually asleep either
Any suggestions on how to make him enjoy/look forward to sleep would be appreciated.
Many thanks,
Viv - the one who said her question would be "Help!"]]> Wed, 21 Aug 2013 20:22:07 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43519&PID=5846387&title=coffee-catchup-29th-august-with-dorothy-waide#5846387 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43519&PID=5846372&title=coffee-catchup-29th-august-with-dorothy-waide#5846372 Author: kate106494
Subject: 43519
Posted: 21 August 2013 at 6:36pm

Hi Dorothy

Many thanks for the event on Monday, very useful! I have a quick question...not sure how quick and easy the answer is though;

17 week, 7.3kg(ish)son, swaddled with one arm out for all naps/sleeps and in a sleeping bag, solely b/f (although he does look like he wants to start solids, watches me eat, takes medicine from a spoon). his routine is (if it all goes perfectly!):

7am - Up, feed, play, nappy, feed
9am - Nap (slightly earlier if he was up before 7am)
10am/10.20am - Up, feed, play, nappy, feed
12 noon - Nap
2pm - Up, feed, play, nappy, feed
4pm - Nap
4.45/5.15pm - Up, feed, bath, feed (more typically
6.30pm - Bed
10pm - Feed
Overnight he tends to wake at 5am(ish) and grizzle but settles back to sleep (usually)

My question is the afternoon nap is starting to get harder and harder to get him to go down for and whereas he used to be able to sleep for 1hr+ he now just does 45mins, is this ok? He is definately tired, but I don't believe he's overtired and now he's occassionally starting to wake up early at his lunchtime sleep e.g. after 1 hour. I struggle to resettle unless I put him in the buggy.

How long should I try and re-settle for? If i use the cupping technique you showed (I started today), how long should i do it for and what should I do when I leave the room and he starts crying again? I really want to have a 'proper' way to re-settle without having to resort to taking him in the buggy.

Many thanks
Kate
]]> Wed, 21 Aug 2013 18:36:45 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43519&PID=5846372&title=coffee-catchup-29th-august-with-dorothy-waide#5846372 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43519&PID=5846357&title=coffee-catchup-29th-august-with-dorothy-waide#5846357 Author: Godders
Subject: 43519
Posted: 21 August 2013 at 3:47pm

Hi,
I have a 4month old boy. Sleep is resolving after our trip to the uk. He has 1.5 hrs at 08:30, 2hrs at 12:00 and another hour at 16:00, he goes down eautifully, he is sleeping fine overnight with a bit of help to settle. He is a breatfed boy who never says no. I feed both sides soon after he wakes (i try to make him play briefly first) then normally has more before each sleep. My issue is he never wakes up happy, he always wakes screaming which takes 5-10minutes of cabaret, jigging, singing/dancing etc to calm down. I'm not sure if I'm missing something, or that is just him but any tips on helping him wake up happy would be gratefully received.
Thanks
Clare]]> Wed, 21 Aug 2013 15:47:48 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43519&PID=5846357&title=coffee-catchup-29th-august-with-dorothy-waide#5846357 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43519&PID=5846282&title=coffee-catchup-29th-august-with-dorothy-waide#5846282 Author: Guest_71787
Subject: 43519
Posted: 21 August 2013 at 5:27am

Hi Dorothy,
Thank you so much for your talk on Monday, I came away with lots of useful tips.
My son Jamie is 8 weeks old, he has reflux which we were using gaviscon and losec to help with after he started loosing weight. The gaviscon made him constipated so we have taken him off that. Yesterday he was weighed at Plunket again and has lost another 250gms in 8 days. Because he has stopped vomiting Plunket believe that the loss is due to my milk supply. They have asked me to increase my calorie intake, go back on dairy and start topping Jamie up with formula. I have since taken Jamie to the doctor who gave Jamie the once over and can't find anything medically wrong. Jamie is currently breast fed on both sides, for around 10 to 15 minutes each side, he is a comfort sucker so I have to remove him when I am convinced he is just playing. As soon as I remove him though he starts crying, is squirmy and tries to find my breast again, this can continue for up to 30 minutes after feed. Once he is settled I try to get him off to sleep as he has normally been up for an hour by now but he just lies in bed (or my arms) wide awake for an hour or so and then he wakes again in an hour for another feed.
I keep hearing that if a baby sleeps well he will feed well and visa versa so maybe there is something wrong with my milk supply. What do you think?
Cheers,
Trish

Edited by Guest_71787 - 23 August 2013 at 6:17pm]]> Wed, 21 Aug 2013 05:27:50 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43519&PID=5846282&title=coffee-catchup-29th-august-with-dorothy-waide#5846282 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43519&PID=5846277&title=coffee-catchup-29th-august-with-dorothy-waide#5846277 Author: HendryBuggie
Subject: 43519
Posted: 20 August 2013 at 10:52pm

Hi Dorothy,

My boy is 14 weeks and he cries for a bottle (he is formula fed), but plays with the teat and look around or even smile at me after drinking about 30-50 ml. How do I stop this or does this mean I am feeding him too quickly since the previous feed? He also has problem napping, He would only nap when he is absolutely exhausted and often only naps 30-45 minutes. I tried the resettling, but doesn't seem to work, he just wants to be cuddled and talked to.

His day (roughly since everyday seems a bit different):

Up at 7-8, bottle (180ml) at 8:30-9, then play for a bit, he usually won't nap until close to 11 even though I can see he is tired at around 10. I try to give him another bottle (usually 150ml) before he naps. The nap last till 12-ish, sometimes he wakes up around 12:30-1 if I am lucky, then another bottle (150ml or 180ml depending how long the nap was) at 1:30, after the bottle, he naps for 15-30 minutes from 2 onwards, I then try resettling and this goes on until the husband comes home finding both him and I are exhausted. I put in another feed at 4-4:30, hoping he would settle but he usually won't sleep till after we bath him at 8 and give him another bottle at 8:30. He sleeps from 9pm till about 3 or 4am for another bottle, then sleeps again till 7.

Sorry my question seems so long winded, but the baby seems cheerful and good until the whole day being lay out like this.

Thanks a lot.
Selena

Edited by HendryBuggie - 20 August 2013 at 10:55pm]]> Tue, 20 Aug 2013 22:52:27 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43519&PID=5846277&title=coffee-catchup-29th-august-with-dorothy-waide#5846277 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43519&PID=5846263&title=coffee-catchup-29th-august-with-dorothy-waide#5846263 Author: foxyhan
Subject: 43519
Posted: 20 August 2013 at 8:22pm

Hi Dorothy,

Thanks for your helpful tips yesterday. My baby is the 10 week old in the pink striped onesie, we came to talk to you at the end.

My question is about settling to sleep and also self-settling when she wakes up from a nap. Often it has taken me up to 3 hours to put her down at night. I hold/jiggle her so she is either asleep or almost asleep and put her into her bassinette. She appears to be in a deep sleep but then within 3-10 minutes I can hear something (stomach contents) come up into her mouth and she does a few swallows (she is a reflux baby). This immediately wakes her up (does not upset her, just wakes her up) and she then starts looking around for a few minutes, then will eventually start crying rather than going back to sleep. The only way I have found to settle her without picking her up again (and repeating this process over and over again for up to 3 hours) is to put the hairdryer on for 4 or 5 minutes, which helps her back to sleep. I have tried shushing, rubbing chest etc rather than picking her up, but this has only worked once or twice. I must add, propping up the bassinette/mattress did not stop the reflux waking her.

Also as I mentioned yesterday, she wakes up from naps after 30-45 minutes and appears WIDE awake and won't go back to sleep. She wakes up and looks around happily for around 5 minutes, then cries rather than going back to sleep. You mentioned helping to settle her back to sleep by turning her on her side and cupping, I tried this and it just seemed to wake her up more and annoy her! To be honest I had never heard of cupping before, I gave it a go yesterday and today, but it feels awkward and I'm not sure I'm doing it right, and it's hard to do when she is swaddled. Any tips on how to do this correctly would be appreciated!

Sorry for the long message.

Kind regards,
Hannah

Edited by foxyhan - 20 August 2013 at 8:23pm]]> Tue, 20 Aug 2013 20:22:08 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43519&PID=5846263&title=coffee-catchup-29th-august-with-dorothy-waide#5846263 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43519&PID=5846227&title=coffee-catchup-29th-august-with-dorothy-waide#5846227 Author: Zzzmaymay
Subject: 43519
Posted: 20 August 2013 at 3:10pm

Hi Dorothy, thanks you for your talk yesterday.

my son is 8 months old, he starts solids at 6months, he sleeps very well, here is his schedule:

0630 wakes up and milk (breastfeed first and then 180ml formula) and changes
0800 solids (around 100m)
0930 milk (breastfeed first and then 180ml formula) and changes
1000 to 1200 nap
1200 wakes up and solids (around 100m)
1340 bath (every second day)
1400 milk (breastfeed first and then 180ml formula) and changes
1500 to 1730 nap
1730 solid (around 100m)
1815 milk and changes
1830 sleeps until morning, no changes inbetween

he sleeps quite a lot, so i have to work around his nap time, sometimes he will skip a milk and sometime he's so hungry, i dont know what to do, im quite stress at the moment as he is losing weight since he started solids because he doesn't doing well with solids and because of solids his milk intake reduce. What do you think about his schedule? Any suggestion? How can I improve his solids intake?

Sorry for the long message and thank you for your help!

Regards
May]]> Tue, 20 Aug 2013 15:10:40 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43519&PID=5846227&title=coffee-catchup-29th-august-with-dorothy-waide#5846227 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43519&PID=5846193&title=coffee-catchup-29th-august-with-dorothy-waide#5846193 Author: Guest_72306
Subject: 43519
Posted: 20 August 2013 at 12:17pm

Hi Dorothy, Many thanks for your talk yesterday.
Sorry but I am still confused as to what to do for my son Jack 4months. He feeds every 2.5 hours (on the dot) throughout the day. I can't seem to stretch it out. He is awake for 1-1.5hours max then sleeps are 40-60min long only. He self settles well during the day, mind you, we are often out and about so the car/pram does it etc.
Normal day routine:
Wakes happy/talking 7am, feeds 7.30, 10, 12.30, 3, 5.30, 6.30, 7.30, then wakes once between 2-4am or twice 1am then 5am. Sometimes he does up to 5 days only waking once then does a few days waking twice.
When he woke at 1am last night, I tried settling strategy, dummy and cupping but no luck and fed him after 20min.
I also have a 23 month old son so days can be hectic!
Many thanks
Melissa
]]> Tue, 20 Aug 2013 12:17:18 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43519&PID=5846193&title=coffee-catchup-29th-august-with-dorothy-waide#5846193 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43519&PID=5846189&title=coffee-catchup-29th-august-with-dorothy-waide#5846189 Author: martymel
Subject: 43519
Posted: 20 August 2013 at 12:03pm

Hi Dorothy,
Thank you so much for all of your helpful tips yesterday! We have a 16mth old girl & 1mth old boy so it was a nice refresher. With our boy he is all hands, I'll sometimes swaddle him just to get him to feed as he has his hands in his mouth. We haven't swaddled for sleep as he wriggles his hands out & gets upset. His sister is a thumb sucker & we're happy for him to be. What do you recommend for babies that like their hands?
Also we've got into a bad habit of giving our girl a bottle to go to sleep, any tips on how we stop this?
Thanks so much.
Mel x]]> Tue, 20 Aug 2013 12:03:42 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43519&PID=5846189&title=coffee-catchup-29th-august-with-dorothy-waide#5846189 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43519&PID=5846171&title=coffee-catchup-29th-august-with-dorothy-waide#5846171 Author: Snuggly
Subject: 43519
Posted: 20 August 2013 at 9:46am

Hi Dorothy,
I have a quick question. What should I do if the engulf hold and cupping doesn't work? What would your next step be - is there anything else I could do or should I just let her cry in my arms for up to an hour (6 month old often only sleeps 30 mins)?
Thanks,
Sophie

Edited by Snuggly - 20 August 2013 at 9:47am]]> Tue, 20 Aug 2013 09:46:56 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43519&PID=5846171&title=coffee-catchup-29th-august-with-dorothy-waide#5846171 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43519&PID=5846143&title=coffee-catchup-29th-august-with-dorothy-waide#5846143 Author: Guest_76177
Subject: 43519
Posted: 19 August 2013 at 10:38pm

Hi Dorothy,
Thanks for today it was a huge help and I leant lots of great tips that I wish I had known a few months ago. My 8 month old is currently in a safety sleep as he has always moved around lots, ends up on his stomach which he is not a fan of so crys until he is turned over. We have tried leaving him but he just ends up at the bottom of his cot crying and hitting his head or just crawling around thinking its play time. I have started leaving it quite loose so he can turn on his side but usually wakes up crying on his tummy, I have tried just having him in the wedge also but he just turns around with that too. Any ideas on how to get him to sleep in his cot without moving around so much and so that he will stay sleeping on his side or back?

Thanks
Rachael]]> Mon, 19 Aug 2013 22:38:22 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43519&PID=5846143&title=coffee-catchup-29th-august-with-dorothy-waide#5846143 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43519&PID=5846062&title=coffee-catchup-29th-august-with-dorothy-waide#5846062 Author: skiltz
Subject: 43519
Posted: 19 August 2013 at 10:43am

OHbaby! Coffee Catchup - Auckland 29th August. Feel free to ask questions and Dorothy will reply when she can.]]> Mon, 19 Aug 2013 10:43:27 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43519&PID=5846062&title=coffee-catchup-29th-august-with-dorothy-waide#5846062