OHbaby! Forums : Breastfeeding debate https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Mon, 04 May 2026 04:07:41 +0000 Wed, 29 Sep 2010 21:43:05 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 11.10 360 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=35896 <![CDATA[OHbaby! Forums]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_images/web_wiz_forums.png https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/ <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : TheKelly wrote:lucky they&#039;re...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165310&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165310 Author: Delli
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 9:43pm

Originally posted by TheKelly TheKelly wrote:

lucky they're cute


Hah. I say this to Jude all the time. "It's lucky you're cute, otherwise....."

I leave the sentence hanging but I'm sure he knows it would be something bad. ]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 21:43:05 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165310&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165310 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : minik8e wrote: Emmecat wrote:I...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165281&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165281 Author: TheKelly
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 9:25pm

Originally posted by minik8e minik8e wrote:

Originally posted by Emmecat Emmecat wrote:

I was too tempted NOT to reply to this :


Originally posted by Babe Babe wrote:

Oh crap yeah doh!!

Smacking
Circumcision
BFing v FFing
Vaginal birth v Elective c-sect
When to start solids
Homemade solids v Storebrought solids
BLW v Pureed food
Vaccination v Non-vaccination
<IMG border=0 src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif"> 


Go on Babe...start one ! lol  Although clearly there's no debate involved....*all* babies should be birthed vaginally, BF till self weaning, non vaccinated, be CLOTH WEARING and BLW organic vegetarians.....surely?


*runs off to hide as the whips come out*



Oh damn, my girls are screwed!! Emergency c-s, fully FF from 10 weeks old, vaccinated, sposie wearing girls!! Although I partially did BLW and most of their food is the "only organic" brand if I buy it (although it includes meat). Phew, some saving graces there (and its ok, I know you were joking!!!)


crap, no hope for you then, lucky they're cute ]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 21:25:28 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165281&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165281 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : Emmecat wrote:Kelly- some countries...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165279&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165279 Author: TheKelly
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 9:23pm

Originally posted by Emmecat Emmecat wrote:

Kelly- some countries do!  We could start a debate about that I guess but I'd be very suprised if there were any pro-female circumcision supporters. On Ohbaby anyway


yeah ! I read the autobiography of a somalian model, umm, Wallis Dirie I think , and she described getting it done, awful awful awful ...and then after they have their babies they "have" to get sewn back up so they are ...."tight' for their men.]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 21:23:52 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165279&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165279 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : Emmecat wrote:I was too tempted...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165209&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165209 Author: minik8e
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 8:40pm

Originally posted by Emmecat Emmecat wrote:

I was too tempted NOT to reply to this :


Originally posted by Babe Babe wrote:

Oh crap yeah doh!!

Smacking
Circumcision
BFing v FFing
Vaginal birth v Elective c-sect
When to start solids
Homemade solids v Storebrought solids
BLW v Pureed food
Vaccination v Non-vaccination
<IMG border=0 src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif"> 


Go on Babe...start one ! lol  Although clearly there's no debate involved....*all* babies should be birthed vaginally, BF till self weaning, non vaccinated, be CLOTH WEARING and BLW organic vegetarians.....surely?


*runs off to hide as the whips come out*



Oh damn, my girls are screwed!! Emergency c-s, fully FF from 10 weeks old, vaccinated, sposie wearing girls!! Although I partially did BLW and most of their food is the "only organic" brand if I buy it (although it includes meat). Phew, some saving graces there (and its ok, I know you were joking!!!)]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 20:40:46 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165209&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165209 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : Bahahahaha check out my new thread!!...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165199&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165199 Author: Babe
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 8:36pm

Bahahahaha check out my new thread!!]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 20:36:46 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165199&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165199 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : SNAP babe!!! ]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165194&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165194 Author: Emmecat
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 8:35pm

SNAP babe!!! ]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 20:35:38 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165194&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165194 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : Oooohhh babe I just realised you...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165191&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165191 Author: Emmecat
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 8:34pm

Oooohhh babe I just realised you left out cloth vs disposable nappies!!! Argh best go change my previous post cos god forbid anyone uses sposies. ]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 20:34:29 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165191&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165191 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : Oh damn thats whatI forgot - CLOTH...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165190&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165190 Author: Babe
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 8:34pm

Oh damn thats whatI forgot - CLOTH NAPPIES]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 20:34:19 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165190&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165190 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : TheKelly wrote:Is that spanking...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165183&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165183 Author: caliandjack
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 8:31pm

Originally posted by TheKelly TheKelly wrote:

Is that spanking our kids...or our men? could get kinkkkkky


They're probably the same men that like wearing nappies and being breast fed.]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 20:31:58 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165183&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165183 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : Kelly- some countries do! We could...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165157&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165157 Author: Emmecat
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 8:13pm

Kelly- some countries do!  We could start a debate about that I guess but I'd be very suprised if there were any pro-female circumcision supporters. On Ohbaby anyway ]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 20:13:19 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165157&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165157 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : Sheza wrote:arghh no lol, all...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165144&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165144 Author: kellie
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 8:03pm

Originally posted by Sheza Sheza wrote:

arghh no lol, all I said was "meh i stand by what I said" lol and that was about my reply to chickielous post.
]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 20:03:55 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165144&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165144 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : Emmecat wrote: TheKelly wrote:Baha!...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165142&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165142 Author: TheKelly
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 8:02pm

Originally posted by Emmecat Emmecat wrote:

Originally posted by TheKelly TheKelly wrote:

Baha! you left out smacking and circumsion Karen <IMG border=0 src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley8.gif">


That's cos I only have girl babies Kelly .....


and I'm as yet undecided about smacking....


*retreats again under a barrage of attachment parenting books being thrown at her*


 



blush....haha ! course,usually you don't circumsize girls ]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 20:02:33 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165142&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165142 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : arghh no lol, all I said was &#034;meh...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165138&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165138 Author: Shezamumof3
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 8:00pm

arghh no lol, all I said was "meh i stand by what I said" lol and that was about my reply to chickielous post.]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 20:00:42 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165138&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165138 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : TheKelly wrote:Baha! you left...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165136&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165136 Author: Emmecat
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 7:59pm

Originally posted by TheKelly TheKelly wrote:

Baha! you left out smacking and circumsion Karen

That's cos I only have girl babies Kelly .....

and I'm as yet undecided about smacking....

*retreats again under a barrage of attachment parenting books being thrown at her*

 

]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 19:59:50 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165136&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165136 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : Sheza wrote: fattartsrock...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165135&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165135 Author: kellie
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 7:58pm

Originally posted by Sheza Sheza wrote:

Originally posted by fattartsrock fattartsrock wrote:

Sheena I was not getting at you. NOT GETTING AT YOU.
I know what you went through and I admire you for sticking in there.
I also had a mixed fed then formula from 9 months baby, and I have to fricken well state this everytime I open my mouth about BF and really he's 5 now and its not that important. Whats more important is that I don't smoke, have never let the kids be in a car that has smoke in it, they sit in the back seat in proper restraints, I don't drink and drive, I don't leave them on their own and they are in a safe and happy environment.
As a person, I am allowed to feel sad and hapy about stuff and Im allowed to say so! Its not a personal judgement or affront.
I also feel sad that people smoke during pregnancy, smoke around their kids, in their cars, leave their kids alone, drink and drive with them, have them in unhappy unsafe homes and take them out of carseats way to young. These are all things that effect them in the long term, not how you have fed them. If you feel I am judging (You as in all of you, not you singular), I am sorry you feel that way, but it isn't the case! I really don't care how you are feeding them, just that you are!!!!!


I know Annie I wasnt aiming my last comment at you hun


I hope it wasn't aimed at me lol.]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 19:58:52 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165135&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165135 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : Emmecat wrote: *runs off to...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165134&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165134 Author: Shezamumof3
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 7:57pm

Originally posted by Emmecat Emmecat wrote:


*runs off to hide as the whips come out*



mmwaahahaha





Edited by Sheza]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 19:57:55 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165134&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165134 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : Baha! you left out smacking and...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165133&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165133 Author: TheKelly
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 7:57pm

Baha! you left out smacking and circumsion Karen ]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 19:57:47 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165133&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165133 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : I was too tempted NOT to reply...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165118&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165118 Author: Emmecat
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 7:44pm

I was too tempted NOT to reply to this :

Originally posted by Babe Babe wrote:

Oh crap yeah doh!!

Smacking
Circumcision
BFing v FFing
Vaginal birth v Elective c-sect
When to start solids
Homemade solids v Storebrought solids
BLW v Pureed food
Vaccination v Non-vaccination
 

Go on Babe...start one ! lol  Although clearly there's no debate involved....*all* babies should be birthed vaginally, BF till self weaning, non vaccinated, be CLOTH WEARING and BLW organic vegetarians.....surely?

*runs off to hide as the whips come out*



Edited by Emmecat]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 19:44:41 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165118&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165118 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : fattartsrock wrote:Sheena I...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165111&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165111 Author: Shezamumof3
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 7:38pm

Originally posted by fattartsrock fattartsrock wrote:

Sheena I was not getting at you. NOT GETTING AT YOU.
I know what you went through and I admire you for sticking in there.
I also had a mixed fed then formula from 9 months baby, and I have to fricken well state this everytime I open my mouth about BF and really he's 5 now and its not that important. Whats more important is that I don't smoke, have never let the kids be in a car that has smoke in it, they sit in the back seat in proper restraints, I don't drink and drive, I don't leave them on their own and they are in a safe and happy environment.
As a person, I am allowed to feel sad and hapy about stuff and Im allowed to say so! Its not a personal judgement or affront.
I also feel sad that people smoke during pregnancy, smoke around their kids, in their cars, leave their kids alone, drink and drive with them, have them in unhappy unsafe homes and take them out of carseats way to young. These are all things that effect them in the long term, not how you have fed them. If you feel I am judging (You as in all of you, not you singular), I am sorry you feel that way, but it isn't the case! I really don't care how you are feeding them, just that you are!!!!!


I know Annie I wasnt aiming my last comment at you hun

ETA- Formula didnt help Bella sleep through the night, it helped her settle thats for sure, she had reflux and I think cos its heavier in her tummy she felt more comfortable, but she still woke in the night for breastfeeds. Caden didnt, but then he probably would have slept through if he was breastfed too, just all babeis are different. Bella STILL wakes in the night, I just dont feed her now(in the night).

Edited by Sheza]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 19:38:54 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165111&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165111 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : Babe wrote:Oh crap yeah doh...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165109&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165109 Author: TheKelly
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 7:31pm

Originally posted by Babe Babe wrote:

Oh crap yeah doh!!

Smacking
Circumcision
BFing v FFing
Vaginal birth v Elective c-sect
When to start solids
Homemade solids v Storebrought solids
BLW v Pureed food
Vaccination v Non-vaccination



go on...I dare ya ]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 19:31:55 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165109&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165109 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : LOL Kelly, the last time we had...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165107&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165107 Author: fire_engine
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 7:31pm

LOL Kelly, the last time we had a thread that touched on those kind of topics, it got deleted for being offensive ]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 19:31:00 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165107&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165107 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : Yes it absolutely is. You&#039;ll...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165106&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165106 Author: fattartsrock
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 7:30pm

[QUOTEThats super interesting about the formula company. Wonder if its abit like tobacco companies putting warnings on their packaging and NO I am NOT likening tobacco to formula and if anyone is silly enough to get on their high horse I'll pull you off directly! But maybe theres some kind of WHO requirement or something??[/QUOTE]

Yes it absolutely is. You'll notice - well maybe not - but the karicare follow on formula ad has recently changed to say almost all of that ...nad its also what healthcare professionals MUST say to any mum who asks about formula..easy to see why it puts mums onthe defensive and makes them feel judged, but thems the rules.]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 19:30:26 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165106&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165106 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : Oh crap yeah doh!! Smacking Circumcision BFing...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165105&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165105 Author: Babe
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 7:29pm

Oh crap yeah doh!!

Smacking
Circumcision
BFing v FFing
Vaginal birth v Elective c-sect
When to start solids
Homemade solids v Storebrought solids
BLW v Pureed food
Vaccination v Non-vaccination


Kelly I'm sure we could have a great debate on kinkiness in our relationships ]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 19:29:35 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165105&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165105 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : Babe wrote:PMSL 20 pages wootwoot! Lets...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165095&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165095 Author: TheKelly
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 7:12pm

Originally posted by Babe Babe wrote:

PMSL 20 pages wootwoot!


Lets discuss spanking next


Is that spanking our kids...or our men? could get kinkkkkky ]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 19:12:23 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165095&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165095 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : Babe, you forgot vaccination!!...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165092&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165092 Author: freckle
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 7:05pm

Babe, you forgot vaccination!! that's a biggie ]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 19:05:41 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165092&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165092 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : Babe wrote:Smacking Circumcision BFing...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165089&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165089 Author: LouD
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 7:03pm

Originally posted by Babe Babe wrote:

Smacking
Circumcision
BFing v FFing
Vaginal birth v Elective c-sect
When to start solids
Homemade solids v Storebrought solids
...

LOL those are some of the debates I've seen around! Good idea hiding in the corner Claire - after I rile everybody up I might come join you

Yep Fleury I think I was probably a tad more sensitive when preggers too but seriously there's abit sensitive and totally over the top sensitive!

Thats super interesting about the formula company. Wonder if its abit like tobacco companies putting warnings on their packaging and NO I am NOT likening tobacco to formula and if anyone is silly enough to get on their high horse I'll pull you off directly! But maybe theres some kind of WHO requirement or something??


LMAO

you missed the BLW versus pureed food debate......that was a good un]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 19:03:23 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165089&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165089 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : Chickielou wrote:Im just not...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165087&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165087 Author: Babe
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 6:57pm

Originally posted by Chickielou Chickielou wrote:

Im just not a fan of those who put babies on bottle straight away cos they want to the hubs to get up to baby through the night so they can sleep......its just a tad selfish.


That was me! We agreed before I even got pregnant that we'd introduce the bottle early on so that DP could take some night feeds and I could get some sleep. Our decision was directly related to my health as I was tremendous high risk for PND and I have a medical condition whereby my body starts shutting down if I get too tired, so obviously it was sensible not selfish but just thought I'd share ]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 18:57:05 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165087&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165087 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : Smacking Circumcision BFing v...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165083&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165083 Author: Babe
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 6:53pm

Smacking
Circumcision
BFing v FFing
Vaginal birth v Elective c-sect
When to start solids
Homemade solids v Storebrought solids
...

LOL those are some of the debates I've seen around! Good idea hiding in the corner Claire - after I rile everybody up I might come join you

Yep Fleury I think I was probably a tad more sensitive when preggers too but seriously there's abit sensitive and totally over the top sensitive!

Thats super interesting about the formula company. Wonder if its abit like tobacco companies putting warnings on their packaging and NO I am NOT likening tobacco to formula and if anyone is silly enough to get on their high horse I'll pull you off directly! But maybe theres some kind of WHO requirement or something??]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 18:53:16 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165083&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165083 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : No one is denying the breast is...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165079&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165079 Author: girly_girl
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 6:45pm

No one is denying the breast is best stance Chickielou. And it is fantastic if you can manage it, many of us can't. To S26 for acknowledging it, and informing mothers on their website - I do wonder if it is on their tins though? Not using S26 here

eta: we use Karicare Goat

Edited by girlygirl]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 18:45:57 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165079&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165079 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : Interesting, I have joined the...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165075&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165075 Author: LouD
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 6:39pm

Interesting, I have joined the wyeth group(S26 formula people) and this is a piece they make you read and agree to before you can join...........And this is coming from a formula company........


Important information

Breast milk is best for babies. Infant formula is intended to replace breast milk when mothers do not breastfeed. Good maternal nutrition is important for preparation and maintenance of breastfeeding. Introducing partial bottle feeding could negatively affect breastfeeding, and reversing a decision not to breastfeed is difficult. Professional advice should be followed on infant feeding. Infant formula should be prepared and used as directed. Unnecessary or improper use of infant formula may present a health hazard. Social and financial implications should be considered when selecting a method of infant feeding.

Looks like they covered their butts quite nicely on the Said Debate]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 18:39:42 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165075&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165075 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : baahaa Babe I&#039;d love to meet...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165073&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165073 Author: caliandjack
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 6:39pm

baahaa Babe I'd love to meet the pregnant woman who isn't a sensitive about what other people say. these ragging hormones make even the most normal sensible woman behave like a raving lunatic. I've felt ridiculously over emotional about the most stupidest topics myself.    ]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 18:39:22 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165073&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165073 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : *sniggering* let&#039;s make a...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165072&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165072 Author: fire_engine
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 6:39pm

*sniggering* let's make a list of controversial topics ..... ]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 18:39:07 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165072&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165072 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : Oh my, won&#039;t that open up...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165066&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165066 Author: girly_girl
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 6:32pm

Oh my, won't that open up a whole can of worms Babe! *runs away and hides in the corner*]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 18:32:57 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165066&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165066 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : PMSL 20 pages wootwoot! Honestly...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165062&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165062 Author: Babe
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 6:30pm

PMSL 20 pages wootwoot!

Honestly the next time theres a debate d'you think some of you could just stop for a second before posting and doublecheck that a. someone is actually having a go at you personally (you'll find that 99% of the time they AREN'T) and b. you really need to get offended by it (you'll find, if you're sensible, that 99% of the time you DON'T)??! Try instead to just share your opinion in a calm, non-reactive manner. We might then actual be able to have a friendly sharing of thoughts where, shock and horror, nobody gets hurt feelings

Lets discuss spanking next ]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 18:30:36 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165062&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165062 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : You do what you need to do to...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165061&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165061 Author: girly_girl
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 6:30pm

You do what you need to do to get through (both you and baby), and that, all said and done, is the bottom line.

As for the not giving BF a go - my BF recently had a wee girl and had no choice but to go straight to FF, due to the numerous breast cancer lumps she has had removed since the age of 17. In my lifetime I have learnt that it pays never to assume these things (about breastfeeding or anything else) because reasons can be extremely valid, and not at all what they appear on the surface.

As for the original topic - I would LOVE formula to be subsidized, particularly with my very colicky and refluxy child. However, I don't see this happening anytime soon, even if it is prescribed.]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 18:30:22 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165061&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165061 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : I must say though, when I had...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165041&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165041 Author: lizzle
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 6:10pm

I must say though, when I had Jake, virtually the day after, everyone was giving me opinions on how to "get him sleeping through the night" - so really I thought that him waking WAS an issue, and something that I should be trying to stop him doing. - rather than what it is, something completely natural and something he will grow out of.

So many people did say when he wasn't sleeping through the night, that it could be due to my breastmilk not "filling him up" and therefore formula was better for him. I look back now and think, what was I thinking listening to such rubbish, but i was a new mum and really sleepy. ]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 18:10:38 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165041&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165041 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : doh! wheres that slapping forehead...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165039&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165039 Author: Bizzy
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 6:05pm

doh! wheres that slapping forehead emoticon! ]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 18:05:16 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165039&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165039 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : heh heh heh and I only just...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165026&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165026 Author: TheKelly
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 5:41pm

heh heh heh

and I only just realised on page 19 who Michael Laws is .....]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 17:41:56 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165026&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165026 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : Bugger kelly - i should have known...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165025&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165025 Author: Bizzy
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 5:40pm

Bugger kelly - i should have known it would be you to get it to 20! ]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 17:40:03 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165025&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165025 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : freckle wrote: Chickielou...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165021&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165021 Author: TheKelly
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 5:36pm

Originally posted by freckle freckle wrote:

Originally posted by Chickielou Chickielou wrote:


There are those that have decided long before baby has come that they arent even gonna try BF and that to me is very very sad........i often wonder what else they might deny their child because they are selfish


I guess they have their reasons... and to be honest at first the thought of BFing just weirded me out and I really didn't wanna do it. I did end up feeding both of mine, and will the next, but I can understand not wanting too... I don't think it automatically makes them selfish as we really don't know their reasons and it's none of our business IMO...


Agree !]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 17:36:11 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165021&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165021 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : And I managed to get this thread...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165019&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165019 Author: TheKelly
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 5:32pm

And I managed to get this thread to 20 pages. BAZINGA

Oh,my other friend put her daughter on a bottle after trying for a few days, she said it hurt, after she died the Dr told us that actually, it wouldn't have just hurt, it would have felt like she was being stabbed in the back and stomach everytime she fed, I admire her for doing it even just once]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 17:32:41 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165019&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165019 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : oh and the sleeping thing came...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165017&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165017 Author: fattartsrock
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 5:31pm

oh and the sleeping thing came "organically" from the post I was quoting....I see lots of mums withthe mistaken belief that formula will help them STTN, and it simply isn't true in most cases. I also think (yes oh my god another opinion) that if lack of sleep is your biggest worry about being a parent and you "can't handle it" then maybe you should re think!!! (again, not directed at anyone on here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) As the parent of a teenager (well step parent) those sleepless nights for you never end!!!]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 17:31:54 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165017&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165017 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : Chickielou wrote:Im just not...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165014&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165014 Author: TheKelly
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 5:30pm

Originally posted by Chickielou Chickielou wrote:

Im just not a fan of those who put babies on bottle straight away cos they want to the hubs to get up to baby through the night so they can sleep......its just a tad selfish.
There are those that have decided long before baby has come that they arent even gonna try BF and that to me is very very sad........i often wonder what else they might deny their child because they are selfish


My friend put her baby on FF straight a
way, she said she didn't want to share her body anymore after sharing it for 9 months, yeah, selfish perhaps, but I appreciated that at least she was honest about it .
Oh but in every other way, she is a fantastic mum, I can't fault her.

Edited by TheKelly]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 17:30:42 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165014&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165014 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : i didnt mean to put words in your...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165013&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165013 Author: Bizzy
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 5:30pm

i didnt mean to put words in your mouth though chickielou - i dont really know what you were thinking but do know that depending on who you are a sentence could be taken so many ways... depending on the personal situation of the one hearing (or reading) it.

Me personally i too am saddened by mothers who decide not to breastfeed prior to having a baby and not give their babies that precious colostrum. I am hoping that my young niece - having a baby at the end of the year - will follow my example and at least give it a go. ]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 17:30:35 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165013&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165013 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : Sheena I was not getting at you....]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165012&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165012 Author: fattartsrock
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 5:28pm

Sheena I was not getting at you. NOT GETTING AT YOU.
I know what you went through and I admire you for sticking in there.
I also had a mixed fed then formula from 9 months baby, and I have to fricken well state this everytime I open my mouth about BF and really he's 5 now and its not that important. Whats more important is that I don't smoke, have never let the kids be in a car that has smoke in it, they sit in the back seat in proper restraints, I don't drink and drive, I don't leave them on their own and they are in a safe and happy environment.
As a person, I am allowed to feel sad and hapy about stuff and Im allowed to say so! Its not a personal judgement or affront.
I also feel sad that people smoke during pregnancy, smoke around their kids, in their cars, leave their kids alone, drink and drive with them, have them in unhappy unsafe homes and take them out of carseats way to young. These are all things that effect them in the long term, not how you have fed them. If you feel I am judging (You as in all of you, not you singular), I am sorry you feel that way, but it isn't the case! I really don't care how you are feeding them, just that you are!!!!!]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 17:28:57 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1165012&title=breastfeeding-debate#1165012 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : Bizzy wrote:clover it came...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164992&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164992 Author: LouD
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 5:10pm

Originally posted by Bizzy Bizzy wrote:

clover it came from the fact that she originally said it makes her sad parents who choose to go to formula from the start so that their partners can feed bub and they can sleep...

and it is only an opinion.

and she didnt say it was a selfish act - she said in essence that IF it was a selfish act (and didnt say she thought everyone who did it was selfish) then she wonders what else they might not give their child based on what it meant for them.

I think that is an example of how one sentence can be taken so many ways... to me it didnt say she thought all mums who gave their newborns formula were selfish but rather that if it were the case then it would sadden her.

Frankly i dont know how any one can decide what they are going to do before they have kids when it is all such a mystery and a big learning curve.


Thanks Bizzy, I really should think carefully and for long periods of time before I post anything on here really and at least try to think from every possible angle it could be taken........cos obviously as mums we have so much time to spend thinking carefully about the words we choose so not to offend.]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 17:10:08 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164992&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164992 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : Bizzy wrote:Frankly I dont...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164976&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164976 Author: caliandjack
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 4:55pm

Originally posted by Bizzy Bizzy wrote:

Frankly I dont know how any one can decide what they are going to do before they have kids when it is all such a mystery and a big learning curve.


Oh such wise words, even with only a few weeks to go I've had to change my mind on so many things already and I have absolutely no clue as to what decisions I'm going to be making in 6 weeks time when our baby arrives. Joys of first time motherhood.

I'd be interested to know how the Michael Laws show played out. Bet he'd love to know he caused such a heated debate. ]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 16:55:20 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164976&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164976 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : Clover- I wondered where the sleeping...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164960&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164960 Author: freckle
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 4:37pm

Clover- I wondered where the sleeping in the night thing came into it as well cos I hadn't heard anyone use that as a reason to ff from the start either... I would doubt many mums choose FF solely to ensure they sleep thgouh at a young age - but hey I could be wrong... I guess I never really ask people why they FF as it's their choice...

One of mine was BF until 10weeks, the other until 11 months... the first time was hell, hurt like anything and I dreaded feeding her, the second time was such a breeze so I can see how we can all have such different experiences with BFing... I must also say the one that was only BF until 10 weeks is now 14 years old and super bright, super healthy and that's not just my biased opinion - she hasn't had a day off school in years, so the formula didn't hurt too much

Edited by freckle]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 16:37:16 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164960&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164960 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : clover it came from the fact that...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164955&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164955 Author: Bizzy
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 4:33pm

clover it came from the fact that she originally said it makes her sad parents who choose to go to formula from the start so that their partners can feed bub and they can sleep...

and it is only an opinion.

and she didnt say it was a selfish act - she said in essence that IF it was a selfish act (and didnt say she thought everyone who did it was selfish) then she wonders what else they might not give their child based on what it meant for them.

I think that is an example of how one sentence can be taken so many ways... to me it didnt say she thought all mums who gave their newborns formula were selfish but rather that if it were the case then it would sadden her.

Frankly i dont know how any one can decide what they are going to do before they have kids when it is all such a mystery and a big learning curve.]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 16:33:58 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164955&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164955 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : That wasn&#039;t an opinion, an...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164945&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164945 Author: clover
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 4:22pm

That wasn't an opinion, an opinion would have been that she thinks that everyone should try to breastfeed, to go further and say that she thinks that the parent is selfish and she wonders what else the child is being denied is a judgement.

And I don't think that anyone on here said they ff their babies because they weren't sleeping through so I don't know where that came from.

It really saddens me that people feel the need to say things that are obviously going to upset someone else. It isn't needed.]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 16:22:44 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164945&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164945 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : aggghhhh fattartsrock don&#039;t...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164922&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164922 Author: Kazper
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 4:12pm

aggghhhh fattartsrock don't scare me with the not sleeping through the night thing. I keep convincing myself it will happen soon. I keeps me sane thinking that ]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 16:12:19 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164922&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164922 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : MEH I still stand by what I said. Im...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164914&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164914 Author: Shezamumof3
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 4:07pm

MEH I still stand by what I said.

Im done!]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 16:07:45 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164914&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164914 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : yep my formula baby didn&#039;t...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164902&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164902 Author: fattartsrock
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 3:58pm

yep my formula baby didn't sleep through till he was 3 years old and still dosen't really at blimmin 5!!!!!!!!!!! My BF baby on the other hand slept through from 5 weeks, lol.]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 15:58:57 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164902&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164902 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : fattartsrock wrote: Chickielou...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164898&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164898 Author: kellie
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 3:56pm

Originally posted by fattartsrock fattartsrock wrote:

Originally posted by Chickielou Chickielou wrote:

Im just not a fan of those who put babies on bottle straight away cos they want to the hubs to get up to baby through the night so they can sleep......its just a tad selfish.
There are those that have decided long before baby has come that they arent even gonna try BF and that to me is very very sad........i often wonder what else they might deny their child because they are selfish


Im gonna stick my neck out here and say I agree....not the selfish part, maybe, but on the whole, I agree....and its NOT a judgement either, just that I feel sad that people don't even try, but hey, its their choice and if sleeping is the only issue, they will soon learn that all babies wake at night, not just BF ones lol.

Agree with you two there. Ds was on formula from 9months and still continued to wake until about 13months.]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 15:56:27 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164898&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164898 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : Chickielou wrote:Im just not...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164894&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164894 Author: fattartsrock
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 3:54pm

Originally posted by Chickielou Chickielou wrote:

Im just not a fan of those who put babies on bottle straight away cos they want to the hubs to get up to baby through the night so they can sleep......its just a tad selfish.
There are those that have decided long before baby has come that they arent even gonna try BF and that to me is very very sad........i often wonder what else they might deny their child because they are selfish


Im gonna stick my neck out here and say I agree....not the selfish part, maybe, but on the whole, I agree....and its NOT a judgement either, just that I feel sad that people don't even try, but hey, its their choice and if sleeping is the only issue, they will soon learn that all babies wake at night, not just BF ones lol.

And yep, I still dont care how you feed your baby and Im not judgy judgersoning you AT ALL or saying you are selfish. I might feel sad you didn't try but I absolutly would never tell you that and make you feel worse about something that is such an emotive and PRIVATE decision!

Just like Im sure some of you feel sad that I let my kids watch tv and eat lollies!

Edited by fattartsrock]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 15:54:58 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164894&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164894 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : Bizzy wrote:Michael Laws seems...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164889&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164889 Author: Delli
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 3:50pm

Originally posted by Bizzy Bizzy wrote:

Michael Laws seems to offend some people just by being Michael Laws! lol!


Hah! I'll say! I'm one of those "some people". That guy gets on my nerves. He could say something that could be completely reasonable and it'll still annoy me coming from him ]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 15:50:24 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164889&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164889 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : see it was getting to be a nice...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164877&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164877 Author: Bizzy
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 3:39pm

see it was getting to be a nice friendly chat...

Really if that makes her sad then isnt it her problem and not yours... ?

isnt she also allowed to voice her opinion? she wasnt nasty with it or pointing fingers at anyone specifically. Thats her opinion and yours is different - sure give your point of view and say you dont find it sad or selfish but dont get nasty and upset at her.

I was wondering what the outcome of the radio show was? I bet that got heated! Michael Laws seems to offend some people just by being Michael Laws! lol!



]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 15:39:48 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164877&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164877 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : If a baby is being fed it is nobody...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164860&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164860 Author: clover
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 3:23pm

If a baby is being fed it is nobody elses damn business where the food is coming from.

End of.

Edited by clover]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 15:23:01 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164860&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164860 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : Chickielou wrote: There are...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164842&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164842 Author: Shezamumof3
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 3:05pm

Originally posted by Chickielou Chickielou wrote:


There are those that have decided long before baby has come that they arent even gonna try BF and that to me is very very sad........i often wonder what else they might deny their child because they are selfish


I find it sad that some people have that exact attitude. Judgmental is what it is.
You dont know the reasons as to why someone would chose to FF from the get go and you have no right to judge them for it either. Just because they are not feeding their child breastmilk doesnt mean they are going to deny them other things!!

Good way to offend a lot of people on ohbaby that is.]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 15:05:11 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164842&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164842 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : Chickielou wrote:Im just not...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164808&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164808 Author: linda
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 2:29pm

Originally posted by Chickielou Chickielou wrote:

Im just not a fan of those who put babies on bottle straight away cos they want to the hubs to get up to baby through the night so they can sleep......its just a tad selfish.
There are those that have decided long before baby has come that they arent even gonna try BF and that to me is very very sad........i often wonder what else they might deny their child because they are selfish


Well I'm sorry I made you sad Chicklielou, didn't mean to. My decision to FF from day one worked for DH and I and that made us happy. As for being selfish, don't think I'll go there except to say that all my children want for nothing except lots of toys and lollies that I don't always allow them to have. Selfish I know.]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 14:29:15 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164808&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164808 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : kiwi2 wrote:One thing I have...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164647&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164647 Author: Kazper
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 11:12am

Originally posted by kiwi2 kiwi2 wrote:

One thing I have learnt with this whole baby rearing business is that we do have a lot of preconceived ideas and judgements. I am guilty of judging people myself. However I have found it usually comes around to bite me. My judgements usually get proved wrong by me then having the said judgement rear its ugly head in my own children. An example: My first child was an angel so any child that threw a tantrum I put down to bad parenting. Well my next two could throw a tantrum bigger than any I had seen before.


That is really well put and very true. I admit myself before becoming a mother I passed judgment in my own mind to certain things, but learned once becoming a mother that not everything is so black and white. I'm pro breastfeeding and was so headstrong about it. My mother couldn't and neither could my sister or other family members. I was going to break that cycle and things started off great until my daughter stopped breathing twice and ended up in hospital. The stress, lack of sleep and feeling to sick to eat out of worry made my milk supply drop, but I persevered, the nurses started to say I should give her formula, but no I was to head strong. Then she developed severe reflux. She would scream every feed and then throw it back up. She stopped gaining weight and at one point lost weight, even with the different medications given to help, but again I kept going and going and going until finally a LC, gp and plunket nurse said I should switch to ff. They were so lovely and made me realise that yes bf is best, but sometimes ff is best as well. I don't regret anything at all, sometimes I feel I should have switched to ff earlier for my poor daughter's sake, but there is no going back. Now I look to the future and there will be many many more hurdles to overcome I'm sure.

Edited by Kazper]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 11:12:05 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164647&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164647 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : I can understand why a lot do...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164624&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164624 Author: kiwi2
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 10:49am

I can understand why a lot do not carry on to breast feed. For me the first 6 weeks were agonising. Apparently if you are doing it right it doesn't hurt. Well that was not the case for me. All three of mine hurt. My first had a tongue tie that wasn't picked up till she was throwing up my blood after a feed. Nothing like pink milky vomit. They were so cracked and sore and my left looked like a snakes tongue. I spent a week in hospital too as she was in nicu and had lactation consultants visit and help with every feed. They still cracked and blistered with that baby and the subsequent two. I beleive some people don't get these problems so it would be hard to imagine how sore it was without living it yourself. Hey I did natural childbirth and that was easier than putting a baby on a split cracked nipple every 2-4 hours. Pain tolerance isn't the issue.

I however was facing being a single mum and my mother stood by my ear saying I wouldn't be able to afford formula and to keep going. Without her I would probably have given up. With the next two, because I knew it would end, I perservered.

One thing I have learnt with this whole baby rearing business is that we do have a lot of preconceived ideas and judgements. I am guilty of judging people myself. However I have found it usually comes around to bite me. My judgements usually get proved wrong by me then having the said judgement rear its ugly head in my own children. An example: My first child was an angel so any child that threw a tantrum I put down to bad parenting. Well my next two could throw a tantrum bigger than any I had seen before.

I breastfed my first two for approx 12 months whereas I couldn't with my 3rd as she just couldn't feed well and my supply dropped and by 6 months she was FF. I don't feel an ounce of guilt and I would say I am pro BF but circumstances don't always allow it and people should be free to make their own choices.   

Mostly everyone in this debate has been very polite and non-judgemental and we have learnt alot of new info however some have left a lasting impression that doesn't bode well for the side of the debate they support.   

Edited by kiwi2]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 10:49:24 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164624&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164624 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : How you feed your baby is just...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164599&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164599 Author: caliandjack
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 10:23am

How you feed your baby is just one of the millions of parenting decisions that as mother's we'll have to make over the years to come.

How and why a mother chooses to parent her child (unless she's not obviously harming them) is her choice.

I can't take those BF adds seriously anymore after seeing that the actor who plays the dad on Go Girls as Eli.

]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 10:23:00 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164599&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164599 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : Thanks for your replies girls,...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164569&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164569 Author: tiptoes
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 10:08am

Thanks for your replies girls, I read some more pages and seems that it's really only a handful that seem to be completely anti-formula and most are pro-BF for themselves personally and are happy as long as you give it a go (which is what I initially thought) and then it's up to your own personal situation. Phew.

I do think that although some BF mum's have gone through problems and come out the other side and continued on that every person's case, baby, support, knowledge and personalities are unique and they most likely came to the decision to switch to formula because they felt that it was going to be best for their baby and situation.

Someone mentioned a drop in cafe where you could talk to a BF consultant - what a fantastic idea! ]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 10:08:03 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164569&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164569 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : Chickielou wrote: There are...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164563&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164563 Author: freckle
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 10:05am

Originally posted by Chickielou Chickielou wrote:


There are those that have decided long before baby has come that they arent even gonna try BF and that to me is very very sad........i often wonder what else they might deny their child because they are selfish


I guess they have their reasons... and to be honest at first the thought of BFing just weirded me out and I really didn't wanna do it. I did end up feeding both of mine, and will the next, but I can understand not wanting too... I don't think it automatically makes them selfish as we really don't know their reasons and it's none of our business IMO...
]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 10:05:53 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164563&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164563 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : Im just not a fan of those who...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164511&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164511 Author: LouD
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 9:26am

Im just not a fan of those who put babies on bottle straight away cos they want to the hubs to get up to baby through the night so they can sleep......its just a tad selfish.
There are those that have decided long before baby has come that they arent even gonna try BF and that to me is very very sad........i often wonder what else they might deny their child because they are selfish]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 09:26:13 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164511&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164511 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : Thought this article was rather...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164490&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164490 Author: blondy
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 9:14am

Thought this article was rather timely breastmilk bank in Arizona]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 09:14:57 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164490&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164490 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : fattartsrock wrote:In my opinion,...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164480&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164480 Author: Babe
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 9:06am

Originally posted by fattartsrock fattartsrock wrote:

In my opinion, in a perfect world (and not judging those who did it defferently cos my experience with both kids was different) MY "goal" for mums would be feed your milk till they can have cows milk and avoid formula completely. But thats just me! And mainly cos I think its a giant waste of money.


I agree, Annie, and thats my goal for #3 but a. I'm not judging anyones specific situation (in fact very few on here are doing that), and b. I'm not gonna beat myself up if it doesn't happen. Having a general opinion about BF/FFing i.e breast is best, doesn't mean that I or others think people who don't BF are bad mothers. I think thats why this subject gets heated coz people think its a personal judgement when its really not.

Lol rambly much?!]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 09:06:32 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164480&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164480 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : In my opinion, in a perfect world...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164464&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164464 Author: fattartsrock
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 8:53am

In my opinion, in a perfect world (and not judging those who did it defferently cos my experience with both kids was different) MY "goal" for mums would be feed your milk till they can have cows milk and avoid formula completely. But thats just me! And mainly cos I think its a giant waste of money.]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 08:53:26 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164464&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164464 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : Chelle I think its different to....]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164458&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164458 Author: Kazper
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 8:49am

Chelle I think its different to. If anyone asked me I would say yes I bfed even though it was a mix between ff and bf until 6 months and then fully ff. If you bf your baby for any amount of time that is wonderful and should be recognised

In saying that I too believe that so long as a baby is fed and loved I support both bf and ff. Even when giving my baby a bottle I feel that wonderful connection as she snuggles into me

Edited by Kazper]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 08:49:44 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164458&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164458 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : chelle wrote: At the risk of...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164406&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164406 Author: NovemberMum
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 12:25am

Originally posted by chelle chelle wrote:


At the risk of continuing this on (but I'm honestly interested) at what point do BF supporters think it's ok to stop BF? Do you need to wait for the child to self wean to still be doing what's best for your child or is there an earlier point that's ok?

Sorry if covered in pages 6-17....


I do self (child) weaning from about 15 months I do the do not offer but not refuse method of weaning so they may have only 1 or 2 feds a day at that age, I did this with my daughter (although some days she was having as many as 6 feeds a day!!!!) and she self weaned at 19 months but I was also about 16 weeks pregnant when she weaned. I am hoping my son goes to about 2 years]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 00:25:44 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164406&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164406 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : Bizzy wrote: chelle wrote:at...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164405&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164405 Author: WestiesGirl
Subject: 35896
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 12:21am

Originally posted by Bizzy Bizzy wrote:

Originally posted by chelle chelle wrote:

at what point do BF supporters think it's ok to stop BF? Do you need to wait for the child to self wean to still be doing what's best for your child or is there an earlier point that's ok?

Sorry if covered in pages 6-17....


i think you will find the answer to that will vary greatly from person to person... and each circumstance. there could quite possibly be just as much contention about that among breastfeeding supporters as the supposed ff v bf argument.



Chelle I also wonder the same thing! I am still BF'ing Jackson, because I enjoy it and because I know its good for him, yada yada, but Im also keen to stop in the next 2 - 3 months, mainly for selfish reasons. And I know I shouldnt but, I do feel guilty that I should stop 'so soon' despite him being 15/16 months old by then IYGWIM.

I also dont think that having Formula on script would mean its subsidised, and personally I dont think the govt and tax payer should subsidies it. But then again I dont believe that formula should be by script only anyways!]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 00:21:37 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164405&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164405 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : Bizzy wrote: chelle wrote:at...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164392&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164392 Author: LouD
Subject: 35896
Posted: 28 September 2010 at 10:57pm

Originally posted by Bizzy Bizzy wrote:

Originally posted by chelle chelle wrote:

at what point do BF supporters think it's ok to stop BF? Do you need to wait for the child to self wean to still be doing what's best for your child or is there an earlier point that's ok?

Sorry if covered in pages 6-17....


i think you will find the answer to that will vary greatly from person to person... and each circumstance. there could quite possibly be just as much contention about that among breastfeeding supporters as the supposed ff v bf argument.



yeah each BF supporter will def have a dif point of view
Me personally dont see any point in paying for formula when i can get the milk for free. but thats my circumstance and mine alone. I also do a combo of FF and BF after 6months, cos i cant be bothered expressing and dont see why I cant give formula also when im out or working etc. have done with all my 3 boys.
As a BF of all 3 of my boys, I think that unless there are particular reasons for it, which could range from a biter to low supply to working or milk dried up, that if you have good milk then BF until one when they can go to cows milk.........BUT if your not comfortable doing it that long for what ever reasons, like u want your body back or need a good nights sleep and want your hub to feed then its your body your baby your business!!!!!! No one elses. But I also hope that no one makes that decision cos someone else pressured them into either continuing to feed when you want to stop or stopping when you want to carry on.

I would like to hope that ALL mums out there at least attempt to give BFing a good go in the beginning to give your babies a good start. ]]> Tue, 28 Sep 2010 22:57:11 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164392&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164392 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : chelle wrote:at what point...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164343&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164343 Author: Bizzy
Subject: 35896
Posted: 28 September 2010 at 9:22pm

Originally posted by chelle chelle wrote:

at what point do BF supporters think it's ok to stop BF? Do you need to wait for the child to self wean to still be doing what's best for your child or is there an earlier point that's ok?

Sorry if covered in pages 6-17....


i think you will find the answer to that will vary greatly from person to person... and each circumstance. there could quite possibly be just as much contention about that among breastfeeding supporters as the supposed ff v bf argument.

]]> Tue, 28 Sep 2010 21:22:47 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164343&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164343 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : Not everything prescribed is subsidised...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164339&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164339 Author: kiwi2
Subject: 35896
Posted: 28 September 2010 at 9:18pm

Not everything prescribed is subsidised and I don't think the formula will be. If the point of making it prescription only is to deter people from FF then I doubt very much that it will be cheaper or free. I got a script for iron tablets because my iron is low and it cost me $33 for the tablets and $15 for the script. It would have been cheaper to get some floradix. However today I got some vit D as I am also low in that and it was $3 for three pills. Not sure if it was subsidised or just a dollar a pill.

]]> Tue, 28 Sep 2010 21:18:22 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164339&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164339 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : I am a BF supporter - as in, I...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164325&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164325 Author: lizzle
Subject: 35896
Posted: 28 September 2010 at 9:05pm

I am a BF supporter - as in, I breastfed my kids for as long as I felt I could, and then ffed. I fully support bfing, and if we have b3, i plan to bf for as long as possible - and plan to stay at home so I can do.

In saying that, i think you should (where possible) try and bf for the first 6 weeks at least. After that, I guess you stop when you stop.

Also, the comment somewhere about the milk bank screening process - with formula manufacturing - the process is again, not always perfect - just look at the china incident. ]]> Tue, 28 Sep 2010 21:05:09 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164325&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164325 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : Wow, I got to page 5 and regret...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164305&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164305 Author: tiptoes
Subject: 35896
Posted: 28 September 2010 at 8:33pm

Wow, I got to page 5 and regret reading that far. I think I must have lived in a bit of a bubble as to what BF supporters thought about FF mums. Now I guess I know

At the risk of continuing this on (but I'm honestly interested) at what point do BF supporters think it's ok to stop BF? Do you need to wait for the child to self wean to still be doing what's best for your child or is there an earlier point that's ok?

Sorry if covered in pages 6-17....


Edited by chelle]]> Tue, 28 Sep 2010 20:33:42 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164305&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164305 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : jazzy wrote: HoneybunsMa...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164277&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164277 Author: Babe
Subject: 35896
Posted: 28 September 2010 at 7:48pm

Originally posted by jazzy jazzy wrote:

Originally posted by HoneybunsMa HoneybunsMa wrote:


I don't think formula should only be available through script. I do like the idea however of if for medical/mental health reasons that it be made subsidised or free through a script. That to me is a GREAT idea.


Totally agree....I feel for the parents that need special formulas for medical reasons & the prices they pay is disgusting.


Agreed!! Even with the CDA buying Jakes Goats formula was crippling! Having it subsidised via script would have been so incredibly helpful!!


Originally posted by blondy blondy wrote:

In my mind, using donated BM would be no different from receiving a blood transfusion or other blood products, should I or my family require them.


Agreed!! :like: ]]> Tue, 28 Sep 2010 19:48:16 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164277&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164277 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : There have been atleast 2 formula...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164276&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164276 Author: Babe
Subject: 35896
Posted: 28 September 2010 at 7:45pm

There have been atleast 2 formula recalls in the last 5-6 years so a milk bank wouldn't be presenting anymore of a risk IMO. It would be screened way better too (also JMO).

Originally posted by HoneybunsMa HoneybunsMa wrote:

I don't think BF is any better then FF I do hate that it is called artificial feeding in hospitals and with MW etc! Its not artificial well aside from the additives its still a form of feeding. FF is a much nicer term.


Just had to quote this coz it cracked me up! Its honestly the first time I've ever heard anyone say they don't think BFing is any better than FFing and its also the first time I've heard anyone say formula isn't artificial, oh aside from the additives LOL I guess thats one way to lighten the mood of a thread coz I'm assuming you're taking the mickey?!


Originally posted by HoneybunsMa HoneybunsMa wrote:

As for FF I don't care if your FF or BFing as long as you feed your children and raise them to be the best they can be and give them unconditional love thats all that matters!


Totally agree with this though!]]> Tue, 28 Sep 2010 19:45:01 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164276&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164276 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : blondy wrote: jazzy wrote:I...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164247&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164247 Author: jazzy
Subject: 35896
Posted: 28 September 2010 at 6:30pm

Originally posted by blondy blondy wrote:

Originally posted by jazzy jazzy wrote:

I still can not get my head around using someone else's BM for your baby. What is the screening process...bet not perfect.


In NZ, we don't actually have a 'proper' milk bank up and running, but I imagine if it were to be set up like overseas, it would be similar to how the blood bank screens - and you may recall that they recently cut down the potential number of donors hugely (excluding people that had spent time in the UK over a certain period) to make sure the blood received was as safe as possible. (and that all done before diagnostic testing of every single blood donation received).

In my mind, using donated BM would be no different from receiving a blood transfusion or other blood products, should I or my family require them.


I guess I see it as a special bonding time with your baby & am not thinking in other benefits to others...I did not have a great milk supply & not much support so donating BM to anyone else would of pushed me over the edge, lol.

I did work with this women whos sister & her had babies around the same time & would BF each others babies when looking after them...maybe a cultural thing.]]> Tue, 28 Sep 2010 18:30:18 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164247&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164247 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : I&#039;m not going to read all...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164241&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164241 Author: pikelets
Subject: 35896
Posted: 28 September 2010 at 6:22pm

I'm not going to read all the posts but my opinion is.....

I don't think formula should be on prescription only (or maybe at all).   The health system is clogged enough without people making dr's appointments to get it or waiting at a&e in the weekend coz they ran out of formula.




Edited by pikelets]]> Tue, 28 Sep 2010 18:22:36 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164241&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164241 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : jazzy wrote:I still can not...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164240&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164240 Author: blondy
Subject: 35896
Posted: 28 September 2010 at 6:22pm

Originally posted by jazzy jazzy wrote:

I still can not get my head around using someone else's BM for your baby. What is the screening process...bet not perfect.


In NZ, we don't actually have a 'proper' milk bank up and running, but I imagine if it were to be set up like overseas, it would be similar to how the blood bank screens - and you may recall that they recently cut down the potential number of donors hugely (excluding people that had spent time in the UK over a certain period) to make sure the blood received was as safe as possible. (and that all done before diagnostic testing of every single blood donation received).

In my mind, using donated BM would be no different from receiving a blood transfusion or other blood products, should I or my family require them. ]]> Tue, 28 Sep 2010 18:22:19 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164240&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164240 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : HoneybunsMa wrote: I don&#039;t...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164239&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164239 Author: jazzy
Subject: 35896
Posted: 28 September 2010 at 6:19pm

Originally posted by HoneybunsMa HoneybunsMa wrote:


I don't think formula should only be available through script. I do like the idea however of if for medical/mental health reasons that it be made subsidised or free through a script. That to me is a GREAT idea.


Totally agree....I feel for the parents that need special formulas for medical reasons & the prices they pay is disgusting. ]]> Tue, 28 Sep 2010 18:19:02 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164239&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164239 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : I think the main issue with turning...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164236&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164236 Author: blondy
Subject: 35896
Posted: 28 September 2010 at 6:17pm

I think the main issue with turning breastmilk into a powdered form is that some of the *best* things in it like antibodies and immune cells like macrophages would not be preserved. Having said that, often the pasteurisation process alters these immune system components anyway.

By the time breastmilk gets in a powdered form, I believe the main difference would be simply between having slightly different proteins - still a benefit, and would no doubt help help prevent dairy allergies

I think a big problem would be the cost - of the human plasma and platelets that are donated at a blood bank, some is turned into products like factor VIII, which can be processed and freeze-dried, but it is an extremely expensive process. I don't think human milk donation would ever get to the volumes required to warrant the cost involved for the QA/QC procedures that are required for food manufacturing etc. Milk banks that operate at the moment in other countries tend to be used in a medical sense for premmie and sick babies that can benefit the most from it.

For the whole BF/FF thing - I believe for a 'normal' healthy baby, whether they receive BF or FF doesn't really make any difference to them long term, but for premmie and sick babies, being able to receive breastmilk (be it from their Mum or a donor), actually does make a difference to whether they survive or not. There have been some studies done (I'll try and find the links I read them from) that showed giving donated breastmilk to babies rather than formula had increased the survival rate within this particular NICU (presumably because of the immunological and possibly hormonal benefits that BM can provide that formula cannot). ]]> Tue, 28 Sep 2010 18:17:58 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164236&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164236 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : I still can not get my head around...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164233&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164233 Author: jazzy
Subject: 35896
Posted: 28 September 2010 at 6:13pm

I still can not get my head around using someone else's BM for your baby. What is the screening process...bet not perfect.]]> Tue, 28 Sep 2010 18:13:53 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164233&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164233 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : Also I didn&#039;t say a replacement,...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164224&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164224 Author: cuppatea
Subject: 35896
Posted: 28 September 2010 at 5:54pm

Also I didn't say a replacement, just another option, probably at a premium but an alternative for those who can't breastfeed. I was only really thinking out loud and was in response to you saying about it being really expensive and coming in tetra packs etc. Just thinking of alternative things that could be done, but as with anything thinking outside the box gets you shot down in flames]]> Tue, 28 Sep 2010 17:54:44 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164224&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164224 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : By women donating to milk banks,...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164222&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164222 Author: cuppatea
Subject: 35896
Posted: 28 September 2010 at 5:52pm

By women donating to milk banks, or by them paying for the milk which is what I believe the US milk banks do, no different to giving blood over there.

Maybe I'm just weird, I don't get what is so funny or weird about making milk powder.]]> Tue, 28 Sep 2010 17:52:15 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164222&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164222 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : Lol two boys sorry I can&#039;t...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164191&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164191 Author: caliandjack
Subject: 35896
Posted: 28 September 2010 at 5:14pm

Lol two boys sorry I can't get the idea of women being milked cow style for their breast milk out of my head.

How would you mass produce breast milk as a replacement for formula? ]]> Tue, 28 Sep 2010 17:14:49 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164191&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164191 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : HoneybunsMa wrote: I don&#039;t...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164178&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164178 Author: SophieD
Subject: 35896
Posted: 28 September 2010 at 5:04pm

Originally posted by HoneybunsMa HoneybunsMa wrote:



I don't think formula should only be available through script. I do like the idea however of if for medical/mental health reasons that it be made subsidised or free through a script. That to me is a GREAT idea.



oh I think you said it far better and clearer than I did but this is what I meant! ]]> Tue, 28 Sep 2010 17:04:06 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164178&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164178 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : Wouldn&#039;t it be better though...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164176&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164176 Author: SophieD
Subject: 35896
Posted: 28 September 2010 at 5:01pm

Wouldn't it be better though if you COULD go to your GP (or midwife etc) if you were medically unable to BF and get a prescription for free(just like BF would be if you were able to do it?)
but of course, if you choose to FF (more of a lifestyle choice rather than unable to BF) Formula would still be widely available, just not free?

The only way to get formula free or heavily discounted would be to have it prescribed, right? TBH seems unfair that people who are unable to BF have to pay so much for the alternative!

I would agree to formula being available on prescription, if this was the reasoning and result!

For me personally, I consider myself pretty lucky to live in a time where there are alternatives available. I guess BF and FF will always have people at polar ends of the spectrum (much like everything else I am learning about parenting...lol) but again, consider myself lucky that I live in a world where I can nod politely at peoples advice and opinions and then do what i think is best anyway...life wasn't always like this ]]> Tue, 28 Sep 2010 17:01:36 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164176&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164176 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : Oh I thought this had died this...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164164&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164164 Author: HoneybunsMa
Subject: 35896
Posted: 28 September 2010 at 4:50pm

Oh I thought this had died this morning. To the original question.

I don't think formula should only be available through script. I do like the idea however of if for medical/mental health reasons that it be made subsidised or free through a script. That to me is a GREAT idea.

I don't think BF is any better then FF I do hate that it is called artificial feeding in hospitals and with MW etc! Its not artificial well aside from the additives its still a form of feeding. FF is a much nicer term.

As for something that CandJ said right at the beginning about formula being nutrition not medication I just thought I would say that dad has a medical condition that means he can't actually eat much. When I mean much he eats porridge, cornflakes and pasta he has really bad bowels and quite often gets blockages. He was hospitalised for 7weeks last year and if it wasn't for liquid food basically he would not have had any nutrition. Now out of hospital he lives on fortisip which has all the vitamins/minerals etc you need for the day. He has three+ of these a day because he can't eat much food. He gets these on script and it costs $xx (not entirely sure how much) if he didn't get it on script he would be paying triple the amount or having to buy things like up and go just to get the nutrients he needs. Not having a go just saying the whole formula is nutrients doesn't wash with me because of this.

As for FF I don't care if your FF or BFing as long as you feed your children and raise them to be the best they can be and give them unconditional love thats all that matters! ]]> Tue, 28 Sep 2010 16:50:50 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164164&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164164 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : Bizzy wrote:twoboys why would...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164155&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164155 Author: cuppatea
Subject: 35896
Posted: 28 September 2010 at 4:44pm

Originally posted by Bizzy Bizzy wrote:

twoboys why would you make breast milk into a powder?
LOL out of all the things i have heard on this thread that is the weirdest (to me!)



lol, weirdest, really, ok

The idea being that if powered it would have a longer shelf life, if sitting next to other formulas people would be more inclined to use cos it's formula not breastmilk (I know it is still breastmilk but people are weird and I think they would be ok with a formula from breastmilk just cos it's called formula), I also thought as a possibly cheaper option you could maybe combine breastmilk with cow's milk formula so it's cheaper than 100% breastmilk but still better than 100% cows milk formula.]]> Tue, 28 Sep 2010 16:44:47 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164155&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164155 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : As for Formula on prescription......how...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164070&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164070 Author: jazzy
Subject: 35896
Posted: 28 September 2010 at 3:23pm

As for Formula on prescription......how stupid is that, it will only deny food for a baby.

You think my husband would of needed the stress of going to the Dr & getting a prescription for formula for our 3 month old baby while caring for a 6yr old a 20mth old.......while I was in the Emergency Department for a week.

You may not agree with one or the other options but thank god there are options....]]> Tue, 28 Sep 2010 15:23:44 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164070&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164070 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : twoboys why would you make breast...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164060&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164060 Author: Bizzy
Subject: 35896
Posted: 28 September 2010 at 3:14pm

twoboys why would you make breast milk into a powder?
LOL out of all the things i have heard on this thread that is the weirdest (to me!)

caliandjack i hate those ads on the telly - it just makes that lady look silly when she says it is a hassle... makes me cringe every time i see her!]]> Tue, 28 Sep 2010 15:14:06 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164060&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164060 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : Sheza wrote: Guests wrote: ...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164058&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164058 Author: jazzy
Subject: 35896
Posted: 28 September 2010 at 3:13pm

Originally posted by Sheza Sheza wrote:

Originally posted by Guests Guests wrote:

Originally posted by Sheza Sheza wrote:

I was just going to say the same thing kiwi2
Theres no way I would feed my baby another womens milk. I always believed that your breastmilk was taylor made for your baby.



But you'll feed them formula drived form milk that was designed for a baby cow ?
At least donated BM is from a HUMAN


Yeah I WOULD and I DID!


gee Guests bit OTT

I would not use anyone else's BM for my babies..my BM or Formular...as long as they are putting on weight & not starving then I don't see any issues with how you feed you baby.

]]> Tue, 28 Sep 2010 15:13:24 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164058&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164058 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : Maybe the milk banks would make...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164041&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164041 Author: cuppatea
Subject: 35896
Posted: 28 September 2010 at 2:54pm

Maybe the milk banks would make a breastmilk derived formula, or maybe they could make one that was a mixture of human and cow/sheep/goat etc. I don't think just cos it's from humans it couldnt' be put into powder form, would probably not be that expensive either as it wouldn't need so much processing or those expensive additives they put in cows milk formula to make it vaguely resemble breastmilk, plus you have the added bonus that lots of us women would be willing to donate the milk thus reducing costs again.

If someone like karicare got behind it it would take off, but perhaps they don't cos they wouldn't make enough money from it.

]]> Tue, 28 Sep 2010 14:54:57 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164041&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164041 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : Oddly enough they&#039;re also...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164018&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164018 Author: caliandjack
Subject: 35896
Posted: 28 September 2010 at 2:33pm

Oddly enough they're also the ones most inclined to use forumla, I believe that's one of the motives behind the current television advertising promotion for breast feeding is to encourage pacific island and maori communities to bf.   It certainly doesn't seem to be aimed at white women if it is I've missed that bit.

]]> Tue, 28 Sep 2010 14:33:06 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164018&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164018 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : caliandjack wrote: When it...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164014&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164014 Author: Bizzy
Subject: 35896
Posted: 28 September 2010 at 2:29pm

Originally posted by caliandjack caliandjack wrote:


When it is in fact the poorer / lower socio-economic families that need the most support when it comes to feeding their babies.



and these are the ones that can least afford to formula feed.]]> Tue, 28 Sep 2010 14:29:40 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1164014&title=breastfeeding-debate#1164014 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : I would only want to see formula...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1163964&title=breastfeeding-debate#1163964 Author: caliandjack
Subject: 35896
Posted: 28 September 2010 at 1:47pm

I would only want to see formula on prescription if that made it more affordable and easier to obtain. My concern is that NZ simply doesn't have the infrastructure to manage the supply and availability of formula in this way.

Milk banks are a good idea they're also a long way from being a realistic alternative here in NZ, I kinda see them as supplying milk in tetra pack type cartons for those that want them.  I can however see them being prohibitively expensive and only available to those that can afford to use them.
Same as the wet nursing concept has been re-introduced into the States its only the affluent that are able to access this.

When it is in fact the poorer / lower socio-economic families that need the most support when it comes to feeding their babies.

]]> Tue, 28 Sep 2010 13:47:10 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1163964&title=breastfeeding-debate#1163964 <![CDATA[Breastfeeding debate : Guests wrote: Sheza wrote:I...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1163827&title=breastfeeding-debate#1163827 Author: Shezamumof3
Subject: 35896
Posted: 28 September 2010 at 11:24am

Originally posted by Guests Guests wrote:

Originally posted by Sheza Sheza wrote:

I was just going to say the same thing kiwi2
Theres no way I would feed my baby another womens milk. I always believed that your breastmilk was taylor made for your baby.



But you'll feed them formula drived form milk that was designed for a baby cow ?
At least donated BM is from a HUMAN


Yeah I WOULD and I DID!]]> Tue, 28 Sep 2010 11:24:37 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35896&PID=1163827&title=breastfeeding-debate#1163827