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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=19393">MrsMojo</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 19537<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 July 2008 at 11:02am<br /><br /><P class=Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-AU style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #4c4c4c; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi&nbsp; <IMG src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley31.gif" border="0"><?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><P class=Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-AU style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #4c4c4c; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></P><P class=Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-AU style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #4c4c4c; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">It sounds to me like there are a few factors getting you down atm. <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN>Although I have no experience with PND so can’t comment from that pov I don’t think it is PND.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>It’s no less serious though and if it’s not dealt with it’s just a matter of time before the straw that breaks the camels back….. so to speak.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><P class=Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-AU style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #4c4c4c; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></P><P class=Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-AU style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #4c4c4c; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">You’ve come off the meds because they were giving you headaches, have you gone cold turkey or thought about trying something else?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>I know several people (me included) who use St Johns Wort which is a natural mood enhancer and stress reliever and sometimes prescribed in place of antidepressants.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>It can be bought from chemist/health stores/supermarkets in pill form or as a tea.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>It may help to ‘perk’ you up; I know it definitely helps me when I get a bad case of </SPAN><?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:stockticker><SPAN lang=EN-AU style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #4c4c4c; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">CBA</SPAN></st1:stockticker><SPAN lang=EN-AU style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #4c4c4c; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><P class=Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-AU style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #4c4c4c; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></P><P class=Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-AU style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #4c4c4c; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">During winter most of us suffer from some form of depression, or winter blues.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>I think it’s especially bad for those who leave in the dark and arrive home in the dark.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>You’re already sorting this out by planning to move closer to town.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>Although it’s not a quick or easy solution once you get the ball rolling on this you’ll have something to look forward to.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><P class=Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-AU style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #4c4c4c; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></P><P class=Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-AU style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #4c4c4c; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I know what you mean about considering breaking up, sometimes it seems like it might be the easier solution.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>It’s not though and the fact you had nightmares about it last night really shows that it’s not what you want to do.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>I think it’s a great idea to get marriage counselling so that you can talk through the things that are bothering you and let DH know where you stand atm and give him a chance to tell you how he feels.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>I totally understand what you mean about feeling resentful over the sacrifices you have made, you may find out that your DH feels guilty that he’s not providing (I know I was surprised to learn, when we sat down and talked it through, that mine did).<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>The important thing is that you talk things through with each other so you both know how the other one feels.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><P class=Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-AU style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #4c4c4c; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></P><P class=Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-AU style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #4c4c4c; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">It’s important too that you’re on the same page when it comes to your approach to parenting.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>I understand too well how frustrating it must have been when he refused to even listen to you.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>DH and I went through the same thing a couple of years ago when Michaela was just a baby.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>His mother wanted to spit in Michaela’s hair to make it curly <IMG src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley11.gif" border="0">&nbsp;which I think is disgusting as well as deluded.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>DH was fully supporting his mum and whenever I broached the subject it turned into a full blown row, it got to a point where we couldn't talk to each other at all.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>In the end I emailed him with my pov.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>The email was detached (in the sense that I was purposely not emotive and basically set out the facts) I researched bacteria in saliva and provided that information along with the email.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>From that point onwards </SPAN><st1:stockticker><SPAN lang=EN-AU style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #4c4c4c; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">MIL</SPAN></st1:stockticker><SPAN lang=EN-AU style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #4c4c4c; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> was told not to spit in DDs hair.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>There is so much information as to why smacking doesn’t work and suggested alternatives, maybe you could write him an email or letter setting out your pov.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>Dr. Christopher Green’s Toddler Taming Tips has a whole chapter on disciplining toddlers and that may help. <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN>The important thing when it comes to discipline is to have an agreed approach before it’s required so that we don’t act in anger, which </SPAN><st1:stockticker><SPAN lang=EN-AU style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #4c4c4c; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">IMO</SPAN></st1:stockticker><SPAN lang=EN-AU style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #4c4c4c; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> is exactly what a response such as smacking is.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><P class=Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-AU style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #4c4c4c; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></P><P class=Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-AU style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #4c4c4c; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Btw well done for backing him in front of DD<IMG src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif" border="0">&nbsp;it's so important to keep a united front and&nbsp;I know that’s not easy when your other half does something you disagree with completely.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><P class=Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-AU style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #4c4c4c; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></P><P class=Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-AU style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #4c4c4c; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If you ever want to talk let me know and we’ll go for a drink (any excuse really) and we&nbsp;should make the most of the calm weather and go for a lunchtime walk or something (get those endorphins pumping), email me if you’re keen.</SPAN></P><P class=Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-AU style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #4c4c4c; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN>&nbsp;</P><P class=Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-AU style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #4c4c4c; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN>&nbsp;</P><P class=Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-AU style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #4c4c4c; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">ETA:&nbsp; The trip to Aussie should help too and that's not far off now.&nbsp; Who could be depressed after spending a few days at Wiggle World <IMG src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0"></SPAN></P><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by MrsMojo</span>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[So define normal? : i&amp;#039;m with cuppatea - i&amp;#039;ve...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=682">Bizzy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 19537<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 July 2008 at 9:56am<br /><br />i'm with cuppatea - i've never had depression either and it sounds normal to me.<br /><br />with regards to your husband tho and the hitting thing you do need to both agree on how to parent...and if he smacked hard enough to leave a mark then that is too hard.  men sometimes dont know their own strength which is why my mother always forbid dad from smacking us...<br /><br />sorry off track there...  <br /><br />sounds normal to me but if it continues then it wont be, and if you have been depressed before then i suppose the worry is that it could lead to it again if not dealt with.<br /><br />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley31.gif" border="0"> ]]>
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   <pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[So define normal? : I haven&amp;#039;t had depression...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=17969">cuppatea</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 19537<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 July 2008 at 8:50am<br /><br />I haven't had depression but the way you are feeling actually sounds normal to me. I get down sometimes especially if arguing with DH or when I use to work quite often that would get to me depending on what was happening at work. My understanding is that it isn't anything more unless you are depressed for a couple of weeks in a row.<br />I think the counselling sounds like a great idea, and if you do have the winter blues try taking some Vit D tablets to help.<br /><br />Hope your feeling better soon.]]>
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   <pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[So define normal? : I had been on meds until just...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=17770">CuriousG</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 19537<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 July 2008 at 8:20am<br /><br />I had been on meds until just recently after having my DD in April 06.<br /><br />I was getting really bad headaches so decided to come off them.  <br /><br />Now, what I want to know is:<br /><br />I am feeling rather down on life - until a week ago, I was feeling really really great!  Since that time, there have been a few incidents that have made me question a lot of things, including my marriage.  I feel fine, no anxiety but is this actually how I am actually supposed to feel or am I going down the spiral of depression again?  Were the pills masking what was actually going on and I was so happy go lucky I didn't care?  <br /><br />I have mentioned to DH that I would like to go to some marriage counselling.  This is because I just feel that perhaps talking to someone who is completely netural to our situation might help me understand if this is me or our marriage.  I have a very strong stance on not smacking children and last night he smacked DD - not hard but enough to leave a mark.  I backed him up last night by saying to DD that she shouldn't bite Daddy etc etc and didn't have a go at him in front of her.  However, when I spoke to him before that I didn't agree with it, he just shutdown, wouldn't talk to me and states that he knows how I feel but it won't stop him doing it!  So now I am like, well, what do I do?  I had horrible dreams of splitting up last night and I don't think that is what I want to do but it has been playing on my mind lately due to a couple of other factors.<br /><br />I do wonder if I am having the "winter blues", its pretty nasty out there, its dark when I leave to go to work and gets dark as soon as I get home.  I also know I am feeling resentful at the moment about having to make so many sacrifices for our family as I work and travel long hours and DH's income alone doesn't cover even half of our bills each month.<br /><br />Sorry for the novel, but it actually feels better to write it down!  <br /><br /><img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" border="0"> ]]>
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