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busyissy
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Posted: 04 March 2009 at 1:02pm |
Hi Brooke,
I hope you got that good sleep you were hoping for. Isn't that always the way that they behave beautifully for the doctor!
That pushing and pulling thing they do on the breast indicates a supply problem. She is frustrated at not getting the milk quickly enough and not getting enough of it. You might want to try some lactation drops (natural remedy for natropath, think some chemist have them too) or a breastfeeding herbal tea to help stimulate your milk production. You can get the teas from health food shops. The doctor is probably on to something with the stress being the main factor though. Just wondering if it might be useful to go to a family centre? They could help you with the feeding postures and wind, teach you some reflux baby breastfeeding techniques etc.
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Posted: 06 March 2009 at 9:53pm |
Hi guys - have got the feeding sorted a lot better I reckon. Have given up dairy products and now feed from a proper chair rather than in bed or slouched on the couch.
I visited a lactation consultant who watched a feed and recommended that the doctor was best ignored and that Brooke was feeding perfectly. We are still using Gaviscon a little, but don't need it near as much now. We don't notice those sicky smells on baby's breath so often now, and Brooke's burps come up reasonably easy, though some still come up about 20 mins after she has been put in her basinnet.
The problem now is SLEEP! Can you guys tell me - when your baby was about 5 weeks old, what was the turn around time from start of feed to baby back alseep? For us it's about 1.5 hrs to 2 hrs and I think this is a bit of a problem (esp when I wake for a 4.30am feeding and by the time I get back to bed the sun is coming up! ) Yesterday was a hot day and Brooke didn't sleep from 3 pm ish till 10.30 pm - it was a real battle to finally get her to sleep. She is averaging approx 10-15 hrs sleep a 24 hr period. Tonight she had a bath with J & J bedtime stuff etc, quiet radio in her room, and her cot was pre-warmed - and still her eyes are wide open! DH can get her to sleep by rocking her for ages in the Big Softy. I don't want to become one of those people who ending up driving their babies around at night trying to get them to sleep.
Today Mum took Brooke off my hands for the afternoon - bliss! I got about 3 hrs sleep!
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Posted: 06 March 2009 at 9:59pm |
BTW I enquired about the Family Centre, Saffron. Here in Invercargill we have one, but due to finances it is no longer staffed by nurses. It is a place to drop in and feed or change baby but that is about it. I wish someone could come and observe what we are doing here re the sleeping thing - it would have been good to get some pointers. Apparently when the FC was going here women would arrive at 9 am and stay all day getting their baby's routines sorted and getting advice - and they could also catch up on sleep.
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Posted: 07 March 2009 at 12:58pm |
That is what our family centre is like. What a shame it isn't running like that any more. I feel so sad for all the invercargill mums, it is such a great resource.
To me is sounds like Brooke is overtired and that is why she can't sleep. Babies are the opposite of us the less they sleep during the day the less they sleep at night.
At 5 weeks old she should only be up for an hour at a time, that includes the feed, nappy changes, play or bath time. Really she should be having more like 18-20 hours sleep in a 24 hour period. You definately don't want to create a habit of walking, rocking or driving her to sleep but in the meantime if it means you can get her sleeping back on track then it might be worth doing one of those things to get her down quickly. She should be up for an hour, down for two, that gives you your 3hour feeding pattern.
Also, if she is happy in her cot, not crying for any reason, and her eyes are open don't feel bad or worry about leaving her like that. Eventually she will drift off to sleep.
There are some really great books out there too. I haven't personally read many but have heard others mention them in the forums and my friend had great success with the Baby whisperer. Have a look at thesleepstore.co.nz too.
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Posted: 07 March 2009 at 9:46pm |
Hi Saffron - actually managed to turn around two feeds last night in an hour each! Tried some new settling techniques - typically new settling techniques are good for only a couple of days. Brooke woke at 1.30 am whereas usually she would wake at 4.30 am. I think we are starting a growth spurt here. Either that, or Brooke got stuck getting into a new sleep cycle. The good thing though was Brooke woke again for a feed at 6 am and then went back to sleep allowing me to wake at 9 am and have "free time" till she woke up around 10 am. She gets more sleep this way so wonder what tonight will bring.
Have been keeping a chart of Brooke's feedings, activity time, sleep etc cos all the days blend into one! Is interesting the patterns popping up. Our "witching hour" is 6.30 pm to 9.30 pm. The night hours are the most reliable for sleeping and the afternoons and evenings are the worst.
Gosh I wish we could turn around a feed consistently in under an hour. I would get so much more sleep (and so would Brooke!). I have been referred to Plunket now that Brooke is almost 6 wks and the new Plunket Nurse sounds like she is quite pro-active and willing to spend the effort to help me with advice - so that is good. I don't play with Brooke at all at night - feed under dimmed lights etc, and during the day she only gets about 10 mins of tummy time / play per a wakening.
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Posted: 08 March 2009 at 8:45am |
Hey glad things are starting to get better!!! It gets easier!!!
Dunno if you saw it or not but on good morning a few days back a lady was on with a newborn showing her settling technique. After baby is swaddled lie her on her side in the cot and hold a hand on her arm and start patting her bum firmly with the other hand until she falls asleep. Gives the feeling they had in your tummy when your walking and she said its really good for resettling a baby that wakes but shouldnt be needing a feed or change.
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Posted: 08 March 2009 at 12:19pm |
Hey that's fantastic! Sounds like you might be turning a corner. You are doing so well it is not easy with a new baby, especially your first and especially when they have reflux. Sounds like you are doing all the right things.
With Issy we always aimed for that 1 hour up period but with a reflux baby it doesn't always work out. Mind you if you can do it most of the time I think you will find it makes a big difference.
Its great that you are giving her tummy time but 10 minutes per up time is quite a lot. Do you find her quite unsettled afterwards? Or harder to put down to sleep after tummy time? I find that Issy is really unsettled after being on her tummy as it compresses her stomach and makes her reflux that much worse. Instead of tummy time on the floor we do tummy time on our tummies, while we are sitting up but reclined slightly backwards. She also spends a lot of time in the bouncinette and now she can hold her head up strongly we are putting her in the jolly jumper too. I know plunket advise to do tummy time but personally I don't think they need it until the can roll over. It might be worth doing a wee experiment, especially in the afternoon as you say that is her most unsettled time, and try leaving the tummy time out and see if it makes a difference.
I'm really glad to hear that you have a good plunket nurse. We got a good one too, very practical, and it makes all the difference.
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Posted: 08 March 2009 at 6:28pm |
Hi Saffron - about the tummy time - Brooke spends most of it on her back kicking and then I turn her over and she does about 2 mins on her tummy before she's had enough. We only do that about once a day, otherwise she gets tummy to tummy time with us, or just some talk time with us. Today I noticed big yawns straight after her feed, so it was straight to bed and she went out like a light! 
Well I can say what a difference the dairy free diet is making - huge! We have a different baby! No more reflux, just the odd burp here and there but not bunged up now that we are reducing the Gaviscon.
Is funny now Brooke is suddenly waking at 1.30am instead of 4.30am, then again at 6am-ish - but it means when I wake up around 8am I get some 'baby free' time to have a shower/breaky etc. The change of waking times might be due to a growth spurt or due to my change in diet maybe?
For the last two nights I've had two feeds each night, and have managed to turn around all feeds in an hour each time - previously unheard of! No more screaming matches at 4.30am! We still have the "witching hour" between 6.30-9.30pm where she resists sleeping, but instead of screaming she just sits with DH and burbles.
I'm nervous about the jabs at the end of the week! I don't want Brooke to be in pain and also she is so settled now, I'm afraid of doing anything to disturb it.
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Posted: 08 March 2009 at 6:34pm |
Oh WRX - I saw the Baby Whisperer lady on that morning on TV! It was funny cos Brooke was just having a tanty at that moment. I went straight through and tried the shush/pat technique and it worked in 5 mins flat! I still do that now to settle her - it works so well and usually only takes 5-10 mins.
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Posted: 09 March 2009 at 12:49pm |
That's wonderful Sarah, I'm so glad you have found a solution. Isn't blissful to have a happy baby?
Issy usually wakes just once a night but every now and then (like last night) wakes twice or three times. I usually put it down to a growth spurt.
Ooo horrible I loathe jab time! It's okay if you are breastfeeding. Time your jab appointment for a feed time and then make sure she is feeding before they inject her, she will scream but then suckle like mad, apparently it helps reduce the pain. And if she is uncomfortable later on in the day a bit of pamol will do the trick, get the nurse to arrange a script for you at the doctors that way its free. We have to go in for Isobelle's 3mth lot this week and she is bottle feed now so I don't know how she is going to cope or me
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Posted: 09 March 2009 at 11:18pm |
Hehe I spoke too soon - got a bit of reflux again last night. So racked my brain - I didn't think the Easter bun I ate was too risky - but checked the labelling today and says milk solids and skim milk powder. Also I ate some macaroni pasta without thinking. I can't believe how much easier Brooke is to settle to sleep. I'm not getting my patience sorely tested every time I try to get her down to sleep.
I'm still trying to increase Brooke's sleep hours. I've been keeping a chart of her eating, feeding, sleeping activities etc and her sleep averages only 11-14 hrs per 24 hr period. The Plunket nurse said not to worry. I think if I can get Brooke to sleep during the witching hour 6.30 pm - 9.30 pm then that will be where we can pick up some extra sleep and she will also be more settled after the 9.30pm feed.
Saffron - I've timed Brooke's injections for a Friday morning. That way if she gets cranky then I have DH with me all weekend to help, and if she has a bad reaction then I still have all day to check.
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Posted: 10 March 2009 at 7:37pm |
Thats a good idea, all the best for Friday
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Posted: 13 March 2009 at 2:30pm |
Yay the injections were just fine. How did your bub go Saffron?
Brooke is taking only an hour to turn around during the night feeds now. Gosh such a difference. Glad I got this all sorted out before the 6 wk growth spurt (which is happening now). I think the reflux the other night was because Brooke was downing so much milk on the first day of the growth spurt.
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Posted: 13 March 2009 at 6:49pm |
I'm so glad you things are going better for you. I can't believe how fast those weeks have gone! Before you know it she will be 12 weeks old.
Issy is very unsettled today. I've put the jabs off because she has a bit of a cold and some bad nappy rash. We are going in for them next Thursday. I'm going to see the doctor at the same time and demand she get put on the granules rather than the suspension as she has learnt to spit. All day today I have had explosions of omprezole suspension in my face, needless to say her reflux has been terrible today.
Oh well tomorrows another day and hopefully a better one.
Glad the vaccinations went well for Brooke. I think you are doing fanstasically!
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